Whatever. You certainly cannot back that up with data, so it remains your opinion. Which you are certainly entitled to.
Comparable in level of domination or style of play? I don't think Lebron plays anything like MJ. I do, however, think Lebron is very similar to Magic Johnson in many different ways. First, he is a playmaker as opposed to a volume scorer. Second, he is capable of playing every position like Magic. Durant, to me, is comparable to Larry Bird or Dirk Nowitzki in how they play. And as much as there are so many Kobe haters on this board, nobody can deny that he has an uncanny duplicate of Michael Jordan in how he plays the game. I actually think Kobe is the more talented scorer, but Jordan made better decisions. Kobe's confidence that he can make really difficult shots is his kryptonite, but there's nobody that can make some of those crazy plays that Kobe took on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27Hk5OIe-k
naw, jordan is just a better scorer. making good decisions is apart of scoring. chucking up terrible shots at a low percentage that goes in from time to time isn't smart basketball. and i doubt kobe could make some of these plays as well with his small hands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvxijHNWB4
You don't have to accept 8 games, you don't have completely deny it either. Which is what you're doing. Again, it's not 2 or 3 games. To completely render it as useless is ignorant. You know it. #highhorse Not sure why do you keep saying I'm ignoring your points. We already went through this on page 7 of this thread. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=250753&page=7 You keep mentioning barely beat DAL, but don't mention the game was 2nd night of B2B... Mavs had 2 days off. Perhaps you didn't already know that, but you probably wouldn't give credit. Know why? #highhorse Dallas wasn't the only good team anyways. They beat ATL. The same ATL they lost to a few weeks later WITH James. They didn't just beat ATL w/o James, they won by 19. How could you seriously not consider that when you kept babbling about barely and quality of opponents. They only lost by 7 vs DAL without James in another game. You also discredit a victory against rival SA. Stop embarrassing yourself. You can't seriously discredit the Rockets performance in games minus Harden. Wait, yeah you can. Know why? #highhorse Harden didn't seem hurt when he was trying to generate offense. js Yes, injury could have been a factor in his shooting. Problem is, you dudes can't seem to accept anything that doesn't go Harden's way. That's why arguments about 8 games meaning completely nothing sound foolish. Ditto arguing weak schedule without Harden. Do better.
I don't deny facts. I merely addressed the sample size. Of course, you are vehemently insisting that sample size doesn't matter and anyone who thinks it does is a "coward". You want to talk about fact denial? I already told you early on the Spurs were missing 3 starters and their 6th man in that game. Of course, you aren't going to address that are you? I specifically said the only significant team the Rockets have beaten are the Mavericks, and that is a fact. Maybe, just maybe, what all this means is the sample size is too small to make any inferences? And this is what it boils down to. "He didn't seem hurt". An internet poster who doesn't play basketball, is making the claim that Harden's injuries did not affect his 3 point shooting because "he didn't seem" hurt. You think sample size doesn't matter, you think your eye tests determined that Harden's injuries did not affect his shooting, and you think the Spurs losing Leonard, Splitter, Green and Ginobli in no way affected their strength as a team. Cool. Like I said, keep preaching on. I don't think there is any point arguing with you any further, so I'll "do better" and leave this as it is. You could keep riding that high horse of yours to self-indulged glory. Maybe someday you'll pick up a dictionary and look up the term hypocrite. It might blow your mind (so will playing basketball by the way. Try shooting the ball with tired legs or sore knees once in a while, you might realize it's not very easy).
In this instance I disagree. It's more about coaching. Not really. George doesn't even play the same position as Harden. [/quote] You're welcome.
I remember when people used to say that michael Jordan is just a ball hog that puts up a ton of shots and doesn't make his teammates better like magic or bird. So many people speak about Kobe like he's just some hack that just throws up a lot of shots. He does have a career PER of 23.36 which is actually higher than oscar Robertson and Jerry west. On top of which, he will likely make a run at Kareem's all time point total if he finally comes back from injury. And the five titles and numerous deep playoff runs that he had a huge part of. And people talk like he's finished but he averaged 27.3 ppg and like 6 boards and 6 assists just last year. I understand that haters will be haters but its a bit absurd not to consider Kobe on of the best ever.
The sample size is better than nothing. Completely dismissing it is cowardly. Get some heart. Already covered your Spur theory in the link I posted. You lost. Wasn't trying to repeat it. I see you stopped saying barely. LOL. Must've realized how dumb it was. Here's another barely you missed. The 2-0 Harden Rockets (vs SA) you mentioned, also barely won one of those games. Does that game count? I'm a fair poster (unlike you). Of course you don't use 8 games and act like it's the be-all-end-all. I'm just saying it's asinine to completely dismiss it like it never happened. You dismiss it because you're on your high horse. Did you even read the following sentence? I said injuries could've played a role. I can admit that because I'm not on a high horse. Harden also could've very well just been shooting badly. But of course, you're not going to admit it. He started shooting better after he hurt his hand. A biased, high horsed poster stopped talking to me. Shucks
It's MORE about coaching in this instance. In this instance = since my argument sucks, let me invent something LOL George would play great defense no matter the coach. Why, because he takes pride in his defense. So players have to play the exact same position to compare their defenses? Laughable rebuttals. SG and SF are very similar positions anyways. Harden and Paul can easily be compared to each other. Well, unless you're a high horse. Furthermore, Lin and Beverley DO play the same position. So, using your "standards", they can be compared. Lin is 2'' taller and longer. Yet, Beverley is the better defender. Therefore, your initial theory (excuse) that George is better due to height and length fails. The lame arguments keep coming
U remember when flip Murray in the sonics about 10 yrs ago started the first 15-20 game avg. 20 plus ppg? These fans cant comprehend that Paul George is not that good and was hyped up by media because they need something to sell fans on for the playoffs in the east. Fact is Paul George would not be the best player on the rockets he'd be the 3rd and harden on Indy would immediately be the best player. PG is talking alot lately about being great and how he new he was going to dominate in th NBA. Well if he wants to be great he needs to learn how to draw more fouls and create for his team better because right now he's a good defender and volume scorer who's not even that good at it. 20ppg on 17 shots sorry no were in the history of the sport would that ever be considered elite or MVP like and for sure not Lebron and KD level. IMO PG should take it as a compliment that he gets compared to harden because the numbers says its not a very close race. The data we have as the season has progressed is that hardens numbers and efficiency is on the rise as well as the rockets play while PG has treded down with the pacers losing some games as of late. Harden will end the season at 25 5 and 5 his 3 pt % will rise to atlesst 35 IMO he's playing really efficient and avg around those numbers on the win streak.
No need to be rude my brother. You don't know these things for sure. We all know Vogel and his staff place a lot more emphasis on defense. It's disingenuous to suggest that under a coaching staff like Vogel's, Harden would still have effort issues on defense. No but you have to at least acknowledge the fact that George's length and natural abilities play a role in him playing individual lockdown defense on elite wings. For example, you can't expect Harden to match up with a LeBron James for obvious reasons, he's too short and doesn't have the length to impact larger players. George is a full 4" taller than Harden, with a 7' wingspan, that absolutely makes a difference. BTW Lin is not longer, as his wingspan is shorter than Beverley's. I did not say his length and height are the only reason his defense is better than Harden's but it certainly plays a part. Harden's defense is much improved from the beginning of the year. I'm sorry you can't entertain the idea that Harden is the better player, but I'd like to see how Harden would perform on a defensive minded team before I pass judgment. Defense wasn't an issue for him in OKC where they were more defensive minded. His defensive mistakes are magnified on the Rockets. Guys like Lin, Parsons, Garcia, Casspi, Jones, and Montiejunas all routinely make more egregious defensive mistakes than Harden on a game-by-game basis. I'm happy to discuss this issue with you but I'd appreciate it if you cut out the rudeness in your posting. Let's keep this civil, please.
Wow. Can we get civil here? By consensus Harden is the best SG in the league. Arguing that point should never be subjected to abuse. Paul George is an all star. A very good player. That cannot be denied. Comparing them head to head is not something that can be conclusively decided. Leave it at that.
Murray is a horrible example. He'd only played 15 games before his "hot streak". And had never averaged more than 2ppg. George has played over 200 games with a gradual increase each season. He averaged over 17 points for an entire season last season. Flip is a terrible example. A humungous reach. Understandable why you need to grasp for anything. Harden isn't currently the best player on the Rockets. Who besides Howard would be better than George if Harden switched teams? Paul's production this season is 22 ppg on 17 shots. Harden's production isn't MVP nor LeBron/KD level. Only speaking offense.. we know why. Not difficult to prove Harden is the better offensive player.
Durant is what happens when you combine kobe's midrange shot creation, with dirk's shooting ability. Durant shoots a lot of shots with 2 or 3 defenders on him, but people don't really notice it because he has an almost unguardable shot like Dirk. To add to that, he's developed a sort of wrist flick 10-12 footer that he shoots with his arm at near full extension which he can shoot with 5 people on him if he has to.
