And who will be backing up the two PG's? Isn't today the last day of Boykins' second 10 day contract? I think we need him signed. Any news?
Yes, that's been proven. The operative word being "their" individual peak efficiency. Exactly, 10 mpg for sure. This was proven in the 7game winning streak, and Lowry's entire career with 3 separate PGs. Maybe more than 10 per game, but we don't see that much. It would be conjecture to assume anything that happens beyond 10-12 mpg. conjecture. We haven't seen much more than spurts of playing together, and we didn't in the last two games, either. This is a very stiff and limited way of viewing their abilities. You're implying not only do they need the ball in their hands for 36mpg, but that to reach peak efficiency, they must be paired a catch and shoot guy? That's like the Linsanity argument that he can't coexist with Melo. As if PGs can only reach peak efficiency when paired with bigs. You don't have to be a catch and shoot guy much more than Ginobili is, which he hasn't always been. You just have to be able to create off the wing like a shooting guard for spurts. Ginobili can do that as well as play PG, and so can Dragic. As for Lowry, he is a 38% 3pt shooter anyhow. And if you run out to cover Dragic passing to him, he can most certainly drive. Hell, they can both do this. One thing is for sure, our fastbreaking game is superior with both of them on the court. Yes, they both deserve their own teams, and they both could use a star big. but that doesn't mean the Rockets are not at peak team efficiency when both of them are on this team right now.
quit saying this as if the only role for any guard paired with them is a catch and shoot guy. It might be the pivotal point in your argument, but it is a very weak one.
Hey, thanks for the input. Much appreciate scouting reports from abroad. Goran is a career 37% 3pt shooter in the nba, no? The comparison to Ginobili is how he relentlessly attacks the basket and can finish. When Ginobody plays PG, he looks a lot like Dragic, to me. Maybe others are comparing their entire games, but I'm primarily comparing Dragic to Ginobili in his PG role But you're right. The comparisons stops there. He's not a wing scorer like Gino, for sure. Some of us have a lot of confidence both he and Lowry can share that off-ball duty in spurts at efficiency better than Lee (on offense at least). Lee is certainly not a 35mpg player. Lee isn't a spot up shooter, either. Lowry and Dragic don't need to be, as well...although they are both doing very well from 3pt range, nonetheless. I don't see what is wrong with Lowry and Dragic combining for 60mpg, and we are about ready to see it again, so everyone better get used to it, especially in the playoffs. Maybe we will have to DNP Budinger again, especially when Martin comes back. :grin:
Whenever one has the ball the other one is the catch and shoot guy, that is the role they are playing in this penetrate and dish offense. DD
Funny how Lee doesn't play that role solely, nor did Martin -- in "this penetrate and dish offense." And neither did Dragic earlier this season. You're just making that up that our 2 position is soley a catch and shoot guy in McHale's offense. Who do you think you're talking too? I'm not a potted plant who doesn't now this offense. Besides, Lowry is only 4 games removed from his absence and is just now getting his mojo back, so any claim about what role Lowry is playing as the off guard is premature.
I believe they can play together, it's not the best PG combo but they can be effective not always but they can be. I dont think they are the problem though. Parsons (his defense dropped aswell) and Lee have been bricking everything, Budd is not much better but I liked that he was active against the suns, he tried. That is why we need Martin back, we need his offense. The bear needs to get his **** together and Scola needs to get into a rythm fast! Those are our problems.
yes I think it pointless to have both of them out there. The heat are like 11-1 without Dwade and I think there is a similar effect with the rockets. When either lowry or gragic has the the ball the other is kind of standing around. Goran seems to be hesitating attacking the basket since lowry is there. It is time to maybe lower lowry to 10 to 15 min and let goran be the lead dog at least for the rest of this season.
i noticed the difference when lowry started playing again... i thought it was me now i see this post.. thought it was just a coincidence not to sure now.
I'm not going to get into who is right or wrong, but I know this team has played better when the bench is smaller. I've seen someone post the record when lowry went out till now, but when you're bringing boykins and the other kid off the bench,of course the team will suffer some. I'm just saying I think lowry should play 18-20mins behind dragic,not with dragic. There are special situations when they should play together, but I wouldn't want that as the norm. Mchale does it to possibly get more dribble penetration,but imo that dragic plays better with the ball in his hands and setting guy up. As mentioned earlier, its too late to work a guy back in like a starter. In regards to next yr, I don't think dragic will be here. There is no way morey is going to sign dragic and hope to trade lowry. Plus, if you're dragic, you can start for utah or portland. If he was restricted, then I wuld say he would get matched, but being ufa,I don't there is a small chance. Lowry is a capable starter on this team and in this league. He's not what people thought he was earlier,but he's good enough. The rockets just need a lot more talent at other positions.
Well, there is stupid money Portland's rudderless MS ship, perhaps?, or the team soon to be the former NJNyets in the event of DWill won't. As for the draft, yeah for that #1 kid. But other than him? I'd hope DM the GM will look for proven help to immediately boost this team into an orchestrated orbit. But what do I know, my last gig was teaching the drop step and other post moves, boarding, and (huh?) free throw shooting at a school overseas that won the interscholastic five-nations tournament.
hmmm, he has played 87 minutes in the last four games -- 46 in the two losses. Are you calling the extra 7 minutes a problem, or are just expecting it to get worse. So far, McHale has indeed given him roughly 20 mpg. They are our two best players. You have to figure out how to get them both 30 mpg. You can't be giving Lee 35mpg and Bud 30+ like he got last night. 30 mpg each player. That's only 12 mpg on the court together. Any time Lee rests or the opposing team's starting SG rests is perfectly fine time. Plus, when we are down late and need to score, our best bet is usually to go small to make up ground. It's not that hard to get both players 30mpg. If 30mpg is enough for Ginobili, it's enough for Dragic and Lowry...and we need to keep them fresh anyhow. The only probably with having two guys play heavy minutes at PG is if it messes up the rhythm of the other players, and that is proven not to be the case with the Rockets and these two PGs. Are you saying Morey is choosing Lowry or that he probably will get outbid or Dragic will care more about getting his own team than money, so Morey might not have a chance? I'm pretty confident that if Morey can sign Dragic, he will definitely be taking offers for both players to upgrade another position. That's why he might go hard for Dragic. He wants to lock up that "asset" so he can trade one of them. I doubt he'd go too far into next season with $13-16m tied up in the PG position. cheers, leebigez
correlation is not causation. Parsons, Lowry and Dragic worked great together before Lowry went down. And Parsons' offensive break-out starting in March occurred the last 4 games with Lowry before the illness and carried over. Also, Parsons might simply have been overworked in Lowry's absence and has hit the rookie wall. He logged a huge amounts of minutes in Lowry's absence...in a compressed season. A drop in his defense and aggressiveness points to tired legs. I don't seen Parsons bad stretch tied to Lowry getting 22mpg the last 4 games.
We did great in Lowry's first two games back (in part because of his play), and he is the single biggest reason we made a huge run in the Utah game. So no. We are just an inconsistent group. We had these same symptoms even while Lowry was out.
Last time i checked, we're #7 in the West even without an all star and with our leading scorer injured and Lowry being out for a month. And you fellas call hima failure. You know what has been a failure? Our very own home crowd! If we had better home crowd support, we'd probably have a better record. But calling this season a failure given the cards we were dealt all season is just uncalled for. I'm not a McHale fan but he has done a pretty good job on his 1st year as the Rockets head coach, IMO.
