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Did Rockets lose mojo ´cuz of Lowry's return?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JCole, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    That has absolutely no facts behind it whatsoever.

    One of our most effectively lineup involves both players, McHale acknowledges that, there was even a post made that shows how both guys increase the overall effectiveness. The Rockets are BETTER when both guys are on the floor.

    Also, as already mentioned Lowry is not the reason Lee, Parsons and Scola can't play defense make open shots.
     
  2. heypartner

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    I think their point is the Rockets would be even BETTERer when Dragic gets 38mpg and we have a mediocre backup worth only about $2m happy to play 10mpg.

    But of course, that would be "changing the discussion, as usual."

    Now sit back and watch DaDakota change the discussion to that very point.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It is simply the truth, and if you don't understand roles, and the dynamics of teams and how skillsets mix and mash, you will never understand what Leeb and I are saying, there is a school bell ringing here, it is up to you to learn from the KNOWLEDGE that is dropping.

    DING DING !

    :)

    DD
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Oops. EPIC fail by the moron from Rice.

    DD
     
  5. heypartner

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    No my post at the end of the last page is better knowledge than the posts by you and Leebigez combined.

    Better go read it to learn something. DING DING :)
     
  6. heypartner

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    still insecure about your alma mater I see.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Not at all, I hire socially inept people like you from Rice all the time.

    DD
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Leeb played Div 1 ball, you barely know how to play pocket pool.....I think Leeb and I are right...and you sir, are as wrong as lusual !

    DD
     
  9. albuster

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    Maybe, maybe not. What is noticeable is that teams have lately increased their defensive intensity against the Rockets. Maybe they took the Rockets for granted in the past and ESPN and the basketball writers practically ignored the Rockets throughout most of the season. But the basketball world may have awakened when this team went 0-4 in their latest road trip beating the Bulls and Lakers in the process.
    Besides, teams in the hunt always play intense basketball during the last games before the playoffs. The team should just recognize that this time is all about the playoffs and that they should start shifting to the next gear. The problem though is if the Rockets do have that second gear or, if not, then these past two games are par for the course.
     
  10. flamingdts

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    DD has once again dissolved an intelligent argument into a cesspool of filth and ignorance when confronted with facts.

    Now, the school bell is indeed ringing. You got a janitor's job to do whiles I teach in class.

    :)
     
  11. K-Low_4_Prez

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    Because everybody else is bricking every shot!!

    Lowry has been playing great and has reminded me why I love him.
    We will get it, just give it some time we got two big games against (Denver a very deep team) we are going to need K-low for these last few week.
     
  12. heypartner

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    We know this. And that's why he's right and McHale is wrong???

    I was a 6' sf/pf in high school, so not much chance to advance. The PGs in Galesburg, IL (a historical powerhouse in the fiercest basketball state in the US) were groomed at a very young age in our basketball factories. I had no chance to compete with them, but, to make it on the court, I certainly learned their position and all the positions (except center). I'm sure I was better at any basketball position than you.

    I can see why you lean on Leebigez's wisedom. :grin:

    But he is 100% wrong this time by implying a star PG like Dragic needs an excuse the create rhythm at will. If we expect Dragic to be as good as other star PGs, he should be able to do so at will -- just like how Ginobili can coexist as floor leader with a star PG, and also convert to a wing scorer when Parker takes over to run PnRs with Timmy. You both know that.

    You are making excuses for someone you claim is a star PG, which I believe too. But if he needs excuses, he is not a star.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    This is where you would be 100% wrong, again.

    DD
     
  14. heypartner

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    Nope. Keep trying.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Back on topic so HP can go tend to his oversensitive dogs needs.......lol.


    If you can not see how brining Lowry back in a DIFFERENT role than what Boykins was playing, then I can't help you.

    Lowry and Dragic are both starting caliber NBA PGs and they both need the ball in their hands and running the offense for 36mpg in order to reach their peak effeciency.

    When you have them on the floor together, it can work in spurts but the more minutes they are on the floor together the less effecient both of them become.

    They are ball handling points, not catch and shoot guys.

    DD
     
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    This appears to be true about Dragic, but there is indisputable evidence that Lowry can be efficient in either role.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    No, Lowry needs the ball to be efficient too - that is the entire point, there is only one ball.

    If you ask either kyle or goran to be the catch and shoot guy, both of their games are not conducive to that role, they can cover defense, but on offense, it hurts them both because you are taking away a catch and shoot option for them to pass the ball to.

    Anyway, that is what I see, and it is right, so....

    ;)

    DD
     
  18. daywalker02

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    I don't think our little PG dilemma is the big problem here.
    We have average talent at the wing man position, SG and SF
    good defense but average or little below average offensive output
    and PF is mildly consistent or inconsistent if you will.
    The C spot is old but it is Ok for now.
     
  19. Eney

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    What is up with you guys comparing Dragić with Ginobili?!?! They are NOT the same type of players. Dragić is NOT half the shooter Ginobili is. Sure his shooting percentege is high currently but believe me it will drop (I'm a big Dragić fan by the way but that is the truth).

    Secondly Dragić is NOT half the player that he is when he is playing off the ball. On the national team he has been playing the SG position a lot in the past years and he sucks at it. On the last Euro championshi his 3pt shooting was 1 or 2 makes in 26 trys something like that. He is not an off the ball player and a spot up shooter and he never will be.

    I love the guy but his confidence is a enormous factor in his play. When he is second guessing himself he SUCKS and that is what he is currently doing. I completely agree though if he actually is a star caliber NBA PG what a lot of you want to believe he is (I hope so aswell) he will have to show that to us and to McHale and to Lowry by playing GREAT. Star caliber playera do NOT make excuses and dont have people make excuses for them.
     
  20. Eney

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    Also I dont believe the problem is in either Dragić or Lowry, Lowry has been great especially since he is only starting to get back after an injury and Dragić is the best player out there.

    We have no depth on the 2, we need Martin back especially since lately Lee has been bricking a lot and Parsons needs to step up his game, he also needs to show he is not just a second round pick, we need him to play GREAT especially on defense where he has been slumping a bit lately.
     

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