We can all be joined by the has beens who have nothing else to do but rip on people as well. you guys need to get a life.
The way I see it, this board is free of charge to all of us (thanks Clutch). None of have actually played/coached/GMed in professional basketball, which means we are all just armchair coaches and GMs and this forum is a fun way to discuss/debate basketball and the Rockets. Just cause someone has posted 100,000 messages on this board over the course of the past several years doesn't mean they know anymore about what is on the board than someone who has only posted 1 or 2 messages. I have only posted 100 or so messages on this board. Yet, I dont feel inadequate posting a message or debating with another member that has been on for 3 years and posted 5,000 messages and I dont think anyone else should either. Cause in the end, we are all equal and it would be stupid to have separate boards for "senior" members. Senior members need newbies. If they were all in a BBS by themselves, they would have no one to talk down to.
You see Bubs, we can deal with the dumb questions, the repetitive threads, and the bandwagoning. We don't want money and we don't want medals. What we do want is for you to post here from that junior member account and with your newbie mouth extend us some ****ing courtesy. j/k There is no clique.
But what we do know is how this board operates. For someone to come in here and presume they do or to disregard that fact shows a lack of respect, something that is much more prevelent amongst the younger crowd.
But why is a senior member automatically entitled to respect over a newbie? The only way to learn how the board works is to come on here, start posting and learn. Besides, if someone new posts a message in the wrong forum, is it really that big of a deal? Enough of a deal to insult a new person? Is it that big of an inconvenience to a senior member to see something posted where it shouldnt be? I think that was the argument being made. If someone comes on and posts something in the wrong place, all that has to be said is "hey bud, for future reference, you might get a better response posting this message in this forum". Even senior members were newbies at one time or another. Ive seen some (not all of course) senior members post real nasty messages if a newbie posts something in the wrong place or even when a newbie posts an opinion that isnt popular with a senior member. I dont think thats fair or right. Granted, this is a free country and people can say what they want. But If any member of this board is going to be mean to someone just cause they are new or arent sure how the board works, then they deserve to be called a horse's rear. That being said, I think most senior members are cool and knowledgeable. However, a handful think they are Carroll Dawson's heir apparent. You know how a few bad apples can spoil a bunch right?
I didn't mean respect the seniors, I meant respect the board, the rules, the community. Take the time to read and learn how things work, and don't over-react when you do get called out. Here's the thing...we can tell the newbies who do learn before posting, because they make the best new posters. Those that don't flame out quickly. Again, this is something you learn from experience. Compare it to Boki...if he started b****ing because he only got 6 minutes and no touches, do you think Rudy or anyone else would listen to him?
I agree with that. But theres another dimension. When a senior member comes out and trashes a newbie for making a posting mistake, is that respecting the board/rules/community? Also, some people will learn before they post and others will learn on the job so to speak. I think If a senior member educates a newbie with respect, he will receive respect in return. I find it hard to respect some of the people on here that jumped down my throat the first few times I posted and to this day, I dont respect them because of that. However, I do respect the board by not cussing, not personally attacking someone (i.e. "what you just said is stupid and you are a dumb ass") and overall, being a good fan. I think thats the most important type of respect. I just dont think someone that has posted over 1000 messages on here gives them the right to tell someone they are "stupid" or "you dont know what you are talking about" just cause they havent posted on this particular forum.
And I agree with you . But remember this: those of us that have been around this long did not have 100 or so new members join every week, like what happened this summer. It was rare for a newbie to post in the wrong forum or whatever because newbies were rare. Now, 10-15 newbie mistakes a day are common, thus raising the aggravation level of the long timers. Geez, I sound old...."I remember back in the olden days, you whippersnappers were seen and not heard..."
But why is considered an aggrevation? There are so many posts and threads on this board. I dunno. To me, if i see a read a post that is way off the thread's subject, i just skip over it. I mean, a thread can start with one subject and end in another. Just like this one lol. I would hardly consider it an aggrevation. It really sounds like the seniors are more mad cause their board, like you said, was a small quit community with tight knit group. Now its wide open with alot more people and that, I think, is what makes the seniors mad, not necessarily the errant posts. I think the errant posts just give them a reason to snap at newbies because its not like they can just come out and say "damn you, i hate you, i wish you would go away and quit clogging up the boards". So I guess your "whipsnapper" statement is somewhat accurate. Still, I think new people deserve respectful education of the rules. How many of us read the directions when we buy a new tool? Hell no! We use the tool and just hope we dont get injured. haha
No, it's not the only way, it's the EASY way. Another method would be reading and waiting while you get a feel for the board.
Besides, if someone new posts a message in the wrong forum, is it really that big of a deal? Enough of a deal to insult a new person? Is it that big of an inconvenience to a senior member to see something posted where it shouldnt be? I think that was the argument being made. If someone comes on and posts something in the wrong place, all that has to be said is "hey bud, for future reference, you might get a better response posting this message in this forum". [/QUOTE] No, that's not what this is about. He didn't post something in the wrong forum. What he did was start this thread, wait a whopping 20 minutes and started another thread titled "HEY OUT THERE" and asked THE EXACT SAME QUESTION. When told that he shouldn't start another thread about the exact same thing, especially after 20 minutes his response was "I'm too busy to wait". Then like an hour later he starts a third post ASKING THE EXACT SAME QUESTION AGAIN. [/QUOTE] Even senior members were newbies at one time or another. [/QUOTE] You seem to be mistaken about something, I don't dislike this guy for being a "newbie", *That was just for you TexasStroke you stud* I dislike this guy for being a jackass. RC Cola is new, I like him. Refman is new, he's one of the best posters on the board already. Windandsea is new, I trip over myself trying to click on his threads. Difference between these guys and guys like BUBS, CUTTINO RULES!!, and aparently you is that they didn't come to this board with a "Screw respect and etiquette, I'm gonna be heard" attitude. [/QUOTE] Ive seen some (not all of course) senior members post real nasty messages if a newbie posts something in the wrong place or even when a newbie posts an opinion that isnt popular with a senior member. I dont think thats fair or right. Granted, this is a free country and people can say what they want. But If any member of this board is going to be mean to someone just cause they are new or arent sure how the board works, then they deserve to be called a horse's rear. [/QUOTE] Every forum on here is more work for Clutch and the crew. They ask us to post accordingly, you really have a problem with that? [/QUOTE] That being said, I think most senior members are cool and knowledgeable. [/QUOTE] Of course most of us are cool, thank you for admitting as much. [/QUOTE] However, a handful think they are Carroll Dawson's heir apparent. You know how a few bad apples can spoil a bunch right? [/QUOTE] I'm not CD's heir, Rudy is. I'm Rudy's heir apparent, get it straight. [/B][/QUOTE] Well I agree with that. If someone is posting a new thread over and over again just to be heard and be a jackass, then they deserve the heat. I am mainly refering to new people that make one post and get jumped on if its not in the right category or if someone disagreed with it. I mean, one of my first posts ever was about how the SF rotation will work and I basically said that Rice or KT will start and this one guy jumped all over me and said its Nachbar's job to lose and there is no way Kenny can be a 3 (this was way before it was known that KT would indeed be playing alot of 3) and Rice was done. And everyday, I see new people posting threads with legitimate, well thought out opinions, that get jumped on by a senior member. As far as more work for Clutch and his crew? Well thats all subjective. The majority of this board, like all BBSs is automated. Like I said, I dont agree on someone coming in here to talk about something other than the Rockets or the NBA or posting multiple threads on the same subject to get a response. However, this is the nature of a BBS. It happens and will continue to happen. And if it was too much work for them or if they felt it is out of control, im sure they would shut the board down or send out massive warnings that they are about to do so. Again, alot of new people have the potential to add quality discussion to this board and make it better for Clutch and all of us. So I dont think its fair to run someone off by insulting them just because they have made a mistake or two in posting a thread or message or have an opinion that a senior doesnt like. Some newbies are jackasses and some seniors are too. To me, its better to just get used to it and deal with it rather than get personal with someone. =)
I can tell you understand what I'm saying, but you'll never see it from my point of view. And I respect the fact that you debated it in the manner that you did. Want to know why the aggrevation? Check out the response I got to a mildy biting comment I made: Understand why I get aggrevated? If he took the time to know me, he would know I work nights and have nothing to do at work except posting. He would also know I have a rather sharp tongue, and he would have not posted the above. No one else would, except people who don't understand the dynamics of this board and the personalities therein.
If it is a well thought out opinion, it will get responses. This not a day care, it is a real community, with both intellects and bullys. If you think your opinion is a good one, and a well thought out one, the intellects will find it and the bullys will find someone else to pick on. Don't be scared to defend your position, just don't be a jackass about it.
And see, you are right. That guy is just an idiot and whether he is a newbie or senior, he shouldnt treat other members on the board that way. If he was new, and said that, I can understand how you feel. My point was, there are seniors who make statements like that too for no good reason, not just new people. =)
Again, I agree. It just seems senior members are more likely to "bully" newbies before they bully other senior members. Which proves my point somewhat, in that, new people shouldnt be picked up just cause they are new. If they do something that deserves to be picked on (i.e. posting 2 or 3 threads on the same subject or insulting someone for no reason) then its open season. I just think if a new guy makes an honest mistake on his first post or two or has an opinion that isnt popular, he doesnt deserve to be jumped on.
