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Did John Boehner Just Commit Treason?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jan 24, 2015.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Senator Cotton doing the hawk thing...

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/09/upon-launching-effort-scuttle-iran-deal-senator-tom-cotton-meets-defense-contractors/
     
  2. larsv8

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    Iran Responds:

    http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/mar/09/part-ii-iran-responds-gop-letter#.VP35OFRtJKV.facebook

    How sad is that Iran is embarrassing the GOP like this?
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    You might want to take a second look around at the false reality you have built for yourself. Our biggest "threat" in the world just called the GOP warmongers and schooled them on the constitution, while trying to negotiate arms reduction with the President.

    This may not be rock bottom, (only because we don't know what idiotic thing they will do next) but its pretty ****ing close.
     
  5. Amiga

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    I thought it was a bit strange and presumptuous that the GOP think the Iranian leadership don't understand what they are negotiating on. I was seriously wondering if they really hold such a position or they are just acting politically here. I hope it's the latter because to not understand others (an enemy in this case) at such a basic level is alarming for the Senate. Of some of the things our government is really "dumb" on (such as basic Science, but I won't derail here), foreign affairs and laws shouldn't be one of those.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Clearly the Iranians don't know what they are talking about any more than the president does. There's no agreement this president can engage in without congressional approval that will be binding past his term. In fact, any "agreement" that he gets involved with that the congress disagrees with can be successfully challenged in court and the argument that the agreement constitutes a treaty that required congressional oversight would almost certainly be ruled in favor of.

    It's sad that our president has sided with Iran against the US congress, but he's been an embarrassment of a president from day one so it's nothing new. Clearly his on the job training failed.
     
  8. Commodore

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    Obama and the Iranian tyrants making common cause against Congress

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  10. NewRoxFan

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    Either you or the Senator are not being truthful... Senator Cotton has been very upfront that he wants no negotiation with Iran... and that is primary goal is to stop such discussions:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/cotton-regime-change-iran_n_6527462.html
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    It doesn't really matter though, the simple fact is that if Congress is against whatever deal Obama thinks he is negotiating then it is doomed. If he knows that Congress will never go along with it then honestly he's not negotiating in good faith because he'd have to know that there's no way it would pass a legal challenge.

    Is it smart to negotiate in bad faith with a contentious nation that already thinks that America is full of crap?

    The country would be a lot better off if this president was as savvy as Clinton was and wouldn't have completely alienated congress by refusing to work with them. The only good thing is that his term ends soon and his replacement will almost certainly be better.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Obama is absolutely reeling right now. He has lost his position of leadership in the world.
     
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    Yes, senator Tom Cotton of Oklahoma is clearly a scholar on foreign policy and international diplomacy. Clearly his allegiances don't lie solely on pandering to his constituency of ultra conservative voters and ensuring he never wanders from the party line.

    :rolleyes:

    But you're right, allowing a rogue group of congressmen to actively engage a foreign government behind the presidents back while said president is in active negotiations with that foreign government is perfectly acceptable, so much so that it's NEVER been done before.

    It's unbelievable how the republican party has decided the best way to govern is to completely undermine anything this administration does. Instead of pulling up their big boy pants and trying to find some sort of middle ground.
     
  14. mc mark

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    Republicans really should just go sit in a corner and let the adults work.

    They've embarrassed the country and themselves enough.
     
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    By Oklahoma I'm guessing you meant to say Arkansas because that's the state that elected him.

    Isn't the problem more that the president is negotiating in bad faith more so than Senators calling him out on it? Trying to make a deal with 0 chance of congressional approval is flat out stupid and only stands to further alienate Iran. A halfway competent president would be working with congress instead of against them.....which is why things like this NEVER happen.

    It was a real challenge to get a president in office more incompetent than Bush, but Obama proved that he was absolutely up to the task.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    Telling how dishonest the GOP has become. Taking unprecedented action to undermine a sitting President while blaming the President. But this should surprise no one,
     
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    Am I watching House of Cards?
     
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  18. Commodore

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    Tom Cotton was an Army Ranger infantry officer in Iraq and Afghanistan. He knows our enemy intimately.

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  19. fchowd0311

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    Nope. As someone who knows the veteran infantry community intimately as I am one myself, he more than likely has pre conceived hatred towards Obama as 95% of infantry vets do, not because of policy as majority of them cannot even name the three branches of government, but because of circle jerk Facebook political memes that have not been vetted at all. And the "enemy" in Afghanistan and Iraq is vastly different than the government of Iran. Different sects of religions and different levels of secularism. If you believe an infantry officer who served in Iraq or Afghanistan has specialized knowledge on Iran and how their regime functions just because they were infantry officers who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are a fool.
     
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  20. larsv8

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    Correct. Just look at some of Treeman's posts.

     

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