I don't see how that could be considered mediocre either. There are only a handful of freshmen big men that have eclipsed those stats in college.
I don't know what is up with denniscd. It's widely known that had Griffin not had the fighting occurrences in High school and college that he would have been the #1 pick. I even seem to recall Jordan mentioning he would have gone #1 if not for that but because it was a red flag they could not take any risk of blowing their #1 pick. Then of course they took Kwame
We can leave the basketball stuff to another day, or we can just forget about it maybe. I was a social worker in a Philly public school, bartram high - not as rough as catholic, i dont think, but still poor and fairly screwed up - Eddie Griffin was the age the kids were when I worked there, and I always thought about that. He was a poor kid from Philly, one with troubles who did not have it easy, and how incredible hard it is to have perspective either as a poor kid in philly or as a multimillionaire, but espeically from one to the other. This makes me so sad. It is so easy to judge him or say "he did this to himself," which is literally true, but conceptually, a really simplistic take on him and his situation, mentally / economically / professionally etc. Those flashes of brilliance were so fun, I really hoped he would make it in some waay or another.I am very sad about this, I was hoping he would pull through and find peace and health and success on this earth. RIP Eddie Griffin, you won't be forgotten.
Tinman, If you are referring to my comment you are mistaken that I think I am better than anyone or that I am some kind of Eddie Griffin hater. I would truly have loved for him to outrun his demons. John Lucas is one the most remarkable men in sports IMO, so I don't "hate" on him either. Please don't lump me in with posters that come in here to pigeon drop on the unfortunate. I think I have avoided ever insulting anyone on here knowingly and will continue to. Because I do understand the nature of alcoholism to some extent is why I said his life is a shame. He left behind a 6 year old child from what I have seen on this thread and that's a shame. He was a tortured soul that must have consistently broken the hearts of those closest to him, that is a shame. The curse of alcolholism runs throughout my family, my Aunt, the Uncle I was named after, my sister (recovering) and my brother (struggling mightily). Perhaps this hits too close to home for me, this could easily be how my brother ends up. I don't hate anyone, I just thought it odd how many people assumed his torment is over or how much better a place he is in. My comment has more to do with what people assume is in the hereafter than anything else. To the poster that said you should never say anything bad about someone who died, what about all the articles and coverage? None of them are flattering in the least. His lawyer said he was an alcoholic by 9th grade, he got kicked off his high school team for fighting, his college team for fighting, three NBA teams. How does that square with him reportedly being a nice guy? Alcoholism. That is the shame I was referring to. Sorry for rambling, also sorry if I offended anyone in this memorial thread for Eddie.
You know, when this info first came out, there were a few people questioning whether this was a mob hit (ala Lethal Weapon 4), but then all that kind of talk just faded away. I don't want to just randomly just throw accusations out there, but in a death this bizzare, perhaps we do need to do look a bit below the surface we're presented. Either way, RIP Eddie.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. If you want to send a message, you whack somebody who might spill the beans, not someone who has no connection. If you kill someone involved, it accomplishes two things... it does send a message and it reduces by 1 the number of people that might talk. Killing someone at random just because you can sends no message at all. Wow, those FBI guys sure are loose with their facts when around people not connected to the investigation. But back on topic, you're saying she said he said Stern was not only aware of it, but connected to it? To me that implies he was profiting from it. Is that what you/she/him meant? This makes no sense. First, not a soul will ask questions. Then it will be found that he was intentionally trapped in a rigged car controlled by a remote. Call me naive, but I suspect that if the latter was found, people might start asking questions. Also, I suspect the reason he had no ID is because it burned in the fire. It's not controversial or interesting. It's just plain stupid, incredibly sad, and on another level, somewhat sick.
Then as I said, please ask a mod or Clutch to remove it. Also please refrain from personal attacks. This is NOT the thread for it. People should be civil in this thread, even Sam Fisher was able to be so.
If you don't think people see the hypocrisy in that last line, you're mistaken. I originally had a line in my last post that read: Spoiler "but then again, this is coming from the poster that allegedly moonlights as a greek guy on Spurs forums, so who knows." I left that out, because it was personal and unnecessary, and counterproductive to this thread. Please, leave your thinly veiled SamFisher insults in the dish. This is not the place. If you want to respond to me, do it over there as well. Thanks.
Nope. I believe in the marketplace of ideas. You put it out there for everyone to see and they can judge for themselves. I countered and people can judge that as well. It's curious you have such a strong stance against personal attacks when you essentially accused (without any evidence whatsoever) Stern of being involved in gambling, mob ties, coverups, and murder. I'm all for civility, but I also have to question your motivation for posting something like that in this thread, a topic you brought up by saying it was controversial and interesting. What were you hoping to accomplish with this? Again, it's not controversial or interesting. It's just plain stupid, incredibly sad, and on another level, somewhat sick. [EDIT: And good job at responding to my points!]
I don't see why Stern would be invovled in illegal gambling when the league is making a ton of profit by legal means. The NBA's national TV contract alone pays $900 milion + a year, and that doesn't count gate receipt, local stuff, merchandizing, international deals, etc. Why risk all that for illegal gambling? How much can you make off of illegal bookmaking anyway?
Not to derail this thread or anything but Stern has been commissioner for over 20 years. If he in fact was "very connected to it" why hasn't he or the league been busted sooner?
So the mob killed an ex NBA nobody to send a message to Stern? You are headed from rookie status to raving lunatic status in no time ....................
no, what he's saying is they are trying to divert attention away from the whole illegal gambling situation
I was so sad to hear this yesterday. Eddie had some inner demons that he chose to deal with the wrong way...my condolences go out to his family and friends...R.I.P. Eddie
Not quite. Here's what he said: and this... There is nothing in the post that would lead to a conclusion of diversion and many things that lead to a conclusion more in line with what Codell posted.
Thats no what he said. EDIT: rim beat me to it There is no way this would distract from the gambling scandal. With all due respect to Eddie and his loved ones, this story will pass on and be forgotten by the weekend.
