Are you still hung up about this nonsense? Who gives a damn about the team. DPOY stands for Defensive Player of the Year. Last time I checked, player stands for ONE person. It has nothing to do with whether or not the Knicks were more defensive than Rockets or if Ewing by some miracle made his team better defensively overall. It is not a team award but an individual award.
After your posts in this thread and the fact that you still don't admit that you are completely wrong, I would say that he is fairly spot on.
It makes total cents(?), and where did I call Hakeem overrated, I just said I consider him the best defender of all time. I dont think you understand the term over/underrated. One player could be underrated and another overrated, and the overrated player can still be better. The greatest player of all time could be overrated depending on what the individual has heard/read. Still thats besides the point dont know how you came to this place. OK first of all stop saying cents, its SENSE.
Considering the fact that you jump into conversations you dont comprehend I could care less what you think.
If you're going to call someone out on spelling/grammar.... Fix your spelling/grammar first. "You're" as in "You are", not "Your".
I think we need a new thread called "Did Dream deserved more DPOYs?" it will make more sense than this one.
So why are we discrediting their defense when all they are doing is following a blueprint that several of the great defensive teams have used. So why am I discrediting them for being superior help defenders? Those werent even the best defensive Pistons of all time, much less on the Knicks level. The 04 Pistons (since acquiring Sheed) posted some truly ridiculous defensive #'s, they also played slow it down ball and their anchor won DPOY. Again why would I discredit them for their pace, it would be like me saying the Suns offense isnt that great because they push the tempo. Not really, tell me how many defensive selections does Battier have this decade? Besides the players all have good reps as defenders.
All Defensive Team only goes 2 deep. (Not sure why All NBA is 3 teams and All Defensive just 2). Not enough recognition to give out. Its very possible some other players from the 31 other teams were better individually than the Knicks. If Knicks have the 3rd thru 5th best defender at every position, they dont get recognized. But that makes a HELL of a defense. Plus, said or not said already, Charles Oakley was 1st Team All Defense in '94. Starks 2nd team in '93. Ewing or not, The Knicks team got fairly compensated in recognition those years. If Hakeem wasnt on the Defense team but Otis Thorpe or Vernon Maxwell was, its a nice symbolic gesture commending the team D. Like I said earlier, Ewing's D was perhaps underrated. In '93 the 2nd place defense Sonics didnt have anybody on the defensive team. Just how it goes sometimes.
To say that the 2004 Pistons defense was better than the 1991 Pistons defense just shows your true colors that you don't know a lick about basketball. Anyone can look up stats and pull numbers out of their butt...but unless you watched what a great defensive club does it means squat. The late 80's Pistons had no one in the middle. No capable center worth a lick offensively. Bill Lambeer was more of a 3 point shooter than a post up player. Rich Mahorn and Dennis Rodman? Nothing much offensively there. They were defensive players. Bill Lambeer didn't make the all-star game for his offensive game! That's how awesome his defense was. You had that front line and guys like Isiah in the back court, and it's no wonder that Detroit was the only team to have a winning percentage against Boston and Chicago - in fact they were the only team to do that. The held the Celtic who averaged over 110 points a game to well below 100 a game in the playoffs...something no team had ever done. It was incredible. To call the 2004 Pistons a better defensive team is just ludicrous.
It's like having a "discussion" with a certain person in D&D who will remain unnamed. (insert "roll-eyes" here)
How did Yao come into the discussion anyway? So whoever says anything disrespectful to Hakeem is automatically a Yao's fan?
Good one, did you know that everything you accused the Knicks of doing was basically inspired by the Pistons. The slow it down, beat you up approach that Riley instilled he learned from them. He took the beatup approach to the extreme but the Pistons were the slowest team in the league, the Knicks were in the top 3, so if your going to discredit the knicks for their pace of play, then you better do the same for the Pistons. Either that or you realize how insignificant it is and just judge their defense for what it is. No sorry nobody can, they can only pull out stats from instances that actually occurred. Ill tell you this much, the guy who understands the stats but never watches the game, knows more about the teams effectiveness than the guy who only watches the game but knows nothing of stats. You NEED to have some sort of quantitative basis for comparison so Im just hoping you have something substantial to back your opinion. LOL you could say the same exact thing about Ben Wallace, except that Lambeer never made an All-Star team during the seasons they won big and Ben Wallace was held in higher regard. I know its hard to do but youve got to stop relying on per game averages. Your point still stands but really how does that make them a better defensive team, its not as if we can take the 04 Pistons and pit them against those guys, a more impressive mark is what they accomplished for the full season and playoffs not just a series, of which the Pistons of recent memory hold all the best records. But even looking at stretches the Pistons are formidable, from the moment they got Sheed the went on a rampage of consecutive games where they held their opp below 80 and I think they hold the under 70 streak as well. Remember how horrible Kobe looked in that Finals, that was stifling. The Pistons of 04 not only had the personnel but they played in an era where defensive play ruled. The Post Zone, Pre HandCheck era is by far the best defensive era of modern basketball. Only if your an old timer who thinks defense was better in the good ol days Lets compare their ranks shall we (Keep in mind Sheed didnt come around till the trade deadline and only contributed to 22 games). Pistons Code: ----- eFG% DRB% T.O.% FT/A Def.RTG [U]89 -.31 -.022 +.13 +.11 -3.1PTS[/U] Ranks (2nd) (4th) (21st)(16th) (2nd) [U]90 -.28 -.024 +.02 +.12 -4.6PTS[/U] Ranks (1st) (4th) (15th)(17th) (2nd) [U]04 -.30 -.004 +.13 -.26 -7.5PTS[/U] Ranks (2nd) (13th) (6th) (3rd) (2nd) So basically they accomplished better defensive marks despite not having their 2nd arguably best defender available for most of the season. Its far from ludicrous.
Dungeons n Dragons? Seriously though what kind of insult is this? Anyone whos come at me with objective arguments has made their point known without so much as an insult, its the ones who attack me personally that Ive returned the favor to. So whats your point? How you respond dictates how I respond.
