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Did Dream really deserve his DPOYs?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Chronz, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. Chronz

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    The Knicks had by far the best defensive team in the league both years, and I know they werent around at the time but Ewing did lead the league in Defensive RTG and Def.WinShares. I always felt Dream peaked defensively early in his career and prolly got shafted for the award a few years and I do consider him the best defender of all time and is obviously worthy of that recognition but how come Ewing never got any DPOY love, yet DRob did during those seasons?
     
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    Not worthy of a reply! :p
     
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    yeah you failed
     
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    The Knicks only led in thuggery.

    Ewing wasn't half the defender Dream was.
     
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    I think the real question is did David Robinson deserve Dream's MVP trophy in 95? ;)
     
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    wrong statistically and clutchfanally

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1994.html

    Ewing in 94 had 90 steals

    Olajuwon had 128 steals

    Ewing had 217 blocks

    Olajuwon had 297 blocks

    Olajuwon was 1st team all defense in 94. Ewing wasn't even 2nd team, that was David Robinson.


    Any more questions?
     
  7. Chronz

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    So your saying if Dream had Ewings teammates they wouldve been much better defensively?
     
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    Ditto
     
  9. tinman

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    You must have been watching OJ Simpson during the finals.

    I'll take the Rockets defensive players over the Knicks anyday.

    You are confusing defensive ability of players vs the coaching style.

    Rudy T's defense wasn't the same as Rileys.

    But it was CLEARLY OBVIOUS who was the better defensive player.
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  10. pippendagimp

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    WTF, is this stupid thread month? :confused:
     
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    Patrick Ewing wasn't even the best post defender on his own team. Oakley was.
     
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    This is more saying Ewing was an underrated defender, more than saying Hakeem did not deserve the awards.

    Stats isn't everything. Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier don't rack up defensive stats. In Hakeem's case the steals stats indicates his incredible defensive range for a center.
     
  13. Chronz

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    I never said he tallied more stl or blocks, my post was more about how they impacted their teams defensive efficiency. The Knicks were the best defensive team, Ewing has had higher block marks but his teams were never better than they were when he wasnt posting up ridiculous shotblocking averages.
     
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    Absolutely not. I always respected Robinson for being both a great player and a class act, but he was nowhere near Dream (as shown in the playoffs).

    Dream is the best big man/defender I've ever seen...by far. I never saw Bill Russell or Wilt play.
     
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    ... did you watch him play even?
     
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    And I told you it wasn't their defensive player's abilities, it was the Riley's defensive philosophy

    aka holding in the paint, hard fouls, hacking, double teaming

    Go back and watch some of those games
     
  17. Chronz

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    You do realize that the Knicks in 92 were 5 full PTS better defensively than the 2nd best defensive club in the league. Thats like of unheard of stuff if what your saying is true (Dream being the better defender that year), then how are his teammates also better? A team with a superior anchor and superior support would defend with much better efficiency wouldnt they?

    During those 2 years the Knicks are one of if not the best defensive club in league history.


    To me they go hand in hand, you play Derek Harper because he will mug you and deliberately handcheck, you dont play Starks because of his height.

    So doesnt that just mean the reason Ewing or his teammates were better defenders, was because he made them that way? Either way isnt the point still the same? Who had the better defensive season?

    Not clicking on a Rox highlight reel in an objective argument.
     
  18. Chronz

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    This is bogus, of course DRob deserved that award. He had the better REGULAR SEASON. MVP doesnt encompass playoff performances
     
  19. Chronz

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    Yea but I never looked at the game then the way I do now.

    So why am I punishing them for sticking to a gameplan that clearly worked?
     
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    you realize these two teams played each other in the finals right?

    you realize the best defensive team is the team that holds the other team to the lower score right?

    you realize that the two players you are comparing faced off right? they had to play defense on EACH OTHER right?
     

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