I knew I should've posted Kobe's 30+ point outbursts in those games, too, to make it fair. Hakeem didn't have a Kobe on his team taking points away from him. Yeah... Wilt definitely doesn't have the numbers to back it up. I don't recall saying that, so I'll just assume it's just your input. Overall? Yes. Offensively? No. Shaq is more dominant. ...Work with me folks, I'm trying to look at this objectively. ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now.
"I knew I should've posted Kobe's 30+ point outbursts in those games, too, to make it fair. Hakeem didn't have a Kobe on his team taking points away from him." -That goes both ways Doc. The other way of looking at is: Hakeem didn't have a superstar player on his team his whole career to deflect some defensive attention from him. The Kings would be a whole lot quicker to double down on Shaq if Kobe wasn't out there and say, Vernon Maxwell, was in his place. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
Dream to me is the best center that ever played..No way Shaq had skills like that?Shaq is just a big ass body.He's aight,but the refs never call ANYTHING against him,and he thinks he's the bomb.All he does is duck and sometimes he has some ugly looking fade-away.Dream will serve up Shaq if he was still in his prime right now.Cmon ya remember how he made David robinson look like dancing clown.Dream is the best EVER!.Peace... ------------------ -JDuBb...One
Good point. But at the same time, most teams double and triple on Shaq and it still doesn't matter. He rams his ass through defenders and dunks anyway. It's a moot point. No one will ever know. I'll say offensively Shaq's more dominant, Hakeem was more graceful and exhibited far more skill, but nobody'd be able to prove or disprove it. Anywho... ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now.
I would say that both Wilt and Lou(Kareem) were more dominant. Wilt scored 100 points in a single game, there are teams that don't score that much. Kareem had the most undefendable shot in basketball, the sky hook. That is why he was able to keep racking up points for so long, and he definately had people taking away shots from him, Magic and Worthy to name a couple. ------------------ You can't stick a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to get licorice.
Hakeem Olajuwon's great years are no comparison to O neal. Dream didnt get all the calls like Shaq in fact he didnt get any calls. If you watched those years Hakeem was the one getting beat up. I would like to see how Shaq fares with a fairly called game. he still would get 25 and 13 but he would be in constant foul trouble for all the charges he gets away with. ------------------
Question, does Shaq ever get double-teamed? I know he doesn't see it as much as Dream did, every night, all night. And Dream still averaged, what, 24 pts and 10 rebs a game? While being doubled every night and, up until the last 6-7 years, not a whole hell of a lot of help? In fact, he was so used to being double-teamed, he built his game around it?! AMAZING!! ------------------
10 RBs is high considering his best shot was a fade away Jumper. . . . Rocket River ------------------
Teams used to double team him all the time because he was so turnover prone early in his career. Now, he is an excellent passer out of the double team so he can hurt you almost as bad passing out of the double team as he can with the ball in his hand. The Kings didn't double team him in game one and he went off for 40-20. The Kings tried to double team him in game two and he went off for 40-20. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
If you have the physical gifts of Shaq and can't get 40 and 20 against old man Divac what does that make you? Kelvin Cato. ------------------ You can't stick a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to get licorice.
That evened out all the traveling calls that referees overlooked on the DreamShake. All superstars get calls. ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now.
Instead of all this carping, ask yourself: if the Rocks had the #1 pick and Hakeem, Shaq and Robinson were the same age in the same draft, whom would you choose? I go for Hakeem every time. ------------------
Doc, How is Shaq more dominant than Hakeem offensively? Ask yourself this: If you have to face an elite Center in a playoff series named David Robinson or Patrick Ewing, who would you rather have on your side: Shaquille now or Hakeem in his prime? -I think Shaquille is more dominant against scrubs like Pollard and Divac, but that Hakeem actually was significantly more dominant against elite centers. Just look at how both fared against David Robinson: HAkeem torched him for 37 a game and Shaq was SWEPT by him and failed to put up his usual #'s. -Also, Hakeem's dreamshake is definitely NOT travelling. That's like saying Jordan's turnaround was travelling. Hakeem had the best footwork of any Center ever, bar none -I'll agree that this "Shaq gets away with murder" argument is WAY overblown, but Hakeem did not get away with any travelling, as the NBA defines travelling. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
"In fact, he was so used to being double-teamed, he built his game around it?!" -This is an excellent point. The whole reason Hakeem developed the unstoppable baseline turnaround J is because he knew he could get that off before the double team ever arrived (except against Seattle). -Shaq can also beat double teams with just pure brute force but I think Hakeem's turnaround J makes him more equipped to consistently defeat double teams. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
He scores more points and is more unstoppable. Hakeem. Yes, and we know Hakeem could never lose a playoff series or get swept out of the playoffs. The last time I looked, I think Hakeem's had bad games, too. I recall the 6 point output by Hakeem against David Robinson where Robinson blocked a breakaway dunk attempt by Hakeem. Wow, Hakeem lost his balls on that one. I've seen Greg Foster light Hakeem up, too... not a pretty sight. But then GF is a stud center. One of the NBA's 50 thousand greatest. Also, the last time I looked basketball was played by more than 1 center on each team. I don't believe it was traveling every time, but you'd have to be insane to think the man never traveled with that move. He traveled. The refs overlooked it. Jordan traveled. The refs overlooked it. I remember a playoff game back in the mid-90's I think where they did a slo-motion capture of one of Jordan's moves. He took 5 steps between dribbles trying to fake a player out. Oh, and Jordan pushes off to win championships, too. See? I'm not hatin' on Hakeem. No of course not. Hakeem never traveled. Neither did Jordan. And Karl Malone plays a gentleman's game of basketball. ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited May 10, 2001).]
Why worry about jumping over double teams or beating them with jumpers when you can power through them? Hakeem had to develop a counter for the double-teams. Shaq had to as well (despite what others may say), but he uses brute strength to defeat it more than Hakeem did. You guys treat Shaq as if he's another plodding goon. He's about 300-320 lbs of muscle, pudge, and it moves quickly and with force. Defenders fear being trampled by something like that. ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now.
defensively against each other, do some of you really think Hakeem could hold shaq at all? Don't u think shaq will bulldoze over hakeem and wear him out by the end of the second quarter? How about Hakeem running into foul trouble if he plays shaq? Do you know how powerful and strong shaq is and how hard and tiring it is to hold him? You have to have so much strength to hold shaq, Hakeem won't able to match up strength-wise... The probability of shaq being able to hold Hakeem in check is greater than the other way around purely cuz of shaq's strengh...PERIOD...Hakeem has his moves and quickness but Shaq's dunk has a greater probability than hakeems long fadaway everytime... ------------------
Jordan did not push off on Russell. That's a load of whiny crap if you ask me. Russell was already losing his balance. No way in hec that's a pushoff in that situation. I don't agree that Hakeem's basic turnaround jumper was a travelling violation. The people who say that are the same fools that say Jordan travelled as well. It was awesome footwork. Sure, at times EVERYONE gets away with travelling, but to say Hakeem or MJ's typical fadeaway J's always consisted of travelling is just silly and inaccurate. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
