i know what it means to catholics. even still. as for the passion...i know some felt it had hugely anti-semetic tones. i didn't see them. the protaganist of the story and his followers are all jewish. in the new testament christ calls out the religious jewish leaders of the day, calling them vipers. does that make him anti-semetic? the quotes in the passion come straight from the new testament. he was presenting it the only way he knew how. i'll say this: if his intent was to villify jews, it was lost on me. but you're right in saying he's clearly carrying around some baggage.
Not true at all, from wikipedia (which I believe to be correct in this instance): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ Studying the NT was a long time ago for me, but when I saw the passion i was fairly certain that a lot of it didn't match w/my recollections of the 4 gospels.
There is some sentiment past and present that Catholics see Jews as those who killed Christ. It has been posted here at the D&D (so it must be true) that Gibson's father is a vocal Jew hata. Privately Gibson may have been as well, at least at the time The Passion was released. That cat is now out of the bag. It would not surprise me if The Anti-Defamation League was doing a PR media blitz when The Passion was released. The media blitz might not have been needed, given your comments.
no, no. i didn't mean every scene. i meant THE scene. sorry. i meant the one where christ is condemned to death. that's the one that drew the criticism, as i remember it. pilate says that the blood won't be on his hands...the high priest, caiphas says it will be on his people.
i agree. that's why i'm so disappointed. it still doesn't change the way i see that movie....and what the story it tells means to me. but it does disappoint me in him. but here's the deal...if a christian ever tells you he has it all together...that it's all perfect and a rose garden...he's lying. that's not promised. it's not reality. i struggle with it all everyday. i struggle with myself and this God and trying to follow Him. i struggle with what the Bible says and what it really SAYS in terms of historical context and its place in my life. none of it is easy..it's just that I find that life is better when the values Christ talked about are actually lived out and followed. like replacing bittneress with forgiveness...like being humble...like meeting hate with revolutionary love. i wish i was there...i'm not. but i'm trying, ringo. i'm trying real hard. everyone in the bible, other than Christ, is an utter mess. murderers, liars, cheaters....and God redeems, anyway. mel gibson is just another man.
I still can't believe that The Passion was done with English subtitles, forcing everybody but maybe three people on this planet to read the dialog for the whole movie. Having the characters speak in a proper English public school accent would have been a better marketing ploy. I also think if they test marketed the film, they would probably not had the Jesus fellow killed at the end. Who wants to go see a movie where the likable protagonists gets whacked at the end? I know I wouldn't
And thankfully the blood will be. The only (major) parts in the movie that are not documented in the Bible is the demonic attacts on Judas and the Satanic references.
We need more religions in the world, so we can argue more about who is right, and who god loves more.... SHEESH !! DD
which is implicit in the story. certainly the readers in the first century would have known that violence very well. 2,000 years later, most people don't know much about it as an execution tool.
completely different audience. the cross and the crucifixion were hugely important to early christians.
Did you know that early Christians did not have the traditional Christ on a cross in their churches. They had a lamb on a cross. It must be true since I read it on The Internet. [Edit: I needs to learns me some proofreading good!]
most protestant churches don't have representations of Christ on the cross. that's very distinctively Catholic. it seems like i've seen exactly what you're talking about in the episcopal church. maybe in their official seal, or something. the lamb over the cross.
I still believe the non-focus of the violence was intentional and right. I put more trust into them than the Jew hater with his own agenda.
that's cool. i don't think there's anything wrong with your interpretation. just so long as it's understood that he did suffer quite a bit...that it wasn't a pleasant experience, to say the least. to remove the suffering ENTIRELY is to remove at least some of the sacrifice. and remember, too, that the audience the early gospel writers were writing too were largely jewish...who certainly understood the concept of a sacrifice like this in the context of yom kippur.
