Did conservatives ever say mea culpa re:nationbuilding?

Like Iraq.

 

Please, for the love of God, don't make me write for 10 minutes about how Iraq threatened us. I will do it if you force my hand, but damnit man- my fingers are tired!

 

of course, that would be the same debate we've had for the last 8 months or so.

can we quit arguing over that, ya think? clearly some of us thought there was a threat..other didn't. let's move on.

how 'bout those Astros!!?? huh??? wha...???

damn...well getting back to iraq.

 

I totally agree with Max.

9/11 was an unprecedented attack on the US, and with that attack, so changed the mindset of our country. Much like Pearl Harbor changed our global mindset, 9/11 changed the same thing. I personally think all "evil" governments should be taken out. "Evil" meaning governments that murder and oppress their own people on a daily basis. I realize that this can't always be done due to diplomacy, but when you can take out an evil government, you go for it as far as I'm concerned. The less Iraqi and North Korean dictatorships in this world, the better for us, and the better for those starving Iraqis and North Koreans.

Stable governments produce stable people...

 

The less Iraqi and North Korean dictatorships in this world, the better for us,

Really? It seems to me the lesson that we should have learned from 9/11 is that what's far more important than if governments hate us is if people hate us. Al Queda showed very clearly that the new threat is from grassroots hatred. Governments tend to act rationally and within certain rules (note that Iraq didn't use WMD on our troops - Al Queda would not have done the same) - individuals do not.

While going around threatening and attacking everyone we don't like might solve our problem with other governments, it's not going to help - and will likely hurt - in our being-hated-by-people problem. People don't like bullies, no matter how good their intentions may be.

 

That was my way of "moving on". I just loathe the hypocrisy of people who supported our attack in Afghanistan, yet still argue against the invasion of Iraq, despite the fact Iraq was also working with Al Queda.

Major, the lesson from 9/11 is that terrorist groups need the support of rogue governments to threaten us. If we remove the rogue governments, then the terrorists will have no place to hide.

 

I don't think groups like Al Qaeda would be able to prosper if their homebase is in a US friendly country. I believe that in a few years, the people in Iraq will be US friendly. At least the government will be, and therefore terrorist groups will have a hard time organizing themselves when they're living on US friendly territory. I also think that the governments trying to be installed will produce a less angry person. A free media won't develop a hatred like the government run medias in the ME. Maybe now hatred is high, but once a new government is developed and a free media is established, I see the hatred dying down, and the policy of the US to oust Saddam being appreciated by the people of Iraq.

 

Its only hypocricy if we believe all the so called proof you have posted. Remember, we are already on stage 4 of the reasons for war with Iraqi. He was a brutal dictator.

 

OK, you win. Clearly, the British press, the British military, and the American government are involved in a conspiricy to manufacture documents linking Iraq to Al Queda. Also, the British press must have tricked Iraqi governments officials into flying to Afghanistan to meet with top Al Queda members. I don't know how the evil and mighty British press pulled this off, but I now side with you on this issue. Thank you for your incredible knowledge of current events- I will defer to your insightful analysis of world politics from this point forward.

 

The Brits already regurgitated some kid's term paper and presented it as current intelligence and the US used fabricated documents even though the CIA knew it wasn't reliable. I don't know how many times you must be lied to in order to be suspicious.

 

I also surrender to Timing's brilliant common sense. He is correct- if we catch our government in a mistake where faulty intelligence is used, we MUST assume everything else is a lie. Timing, you are brilliant.

 

Johnheath's version of insightful analysis of world politics

"look at this comic in the Weekly Standard, its a picture of Bin Ladin and Saddam talking to each, this is clear proof of the connection between Al Queda and Iraqi"

 

John, it really is beneath your dignity to respond to people like Timing and pgabriel. Don't stoop to their level.

 

A mistake? Using a kid's term paper and using fake evidence that intelligence knows is fake? You're a riot. Why don't you go post some new WMD findings, we all need a good laugh today.

 

here's an idea...let's move past the personal crap and have a substantive discussion. if we could all stop beating our chests and trying to convince everyone else how smart we are, we might all actually learn something.

 

That is excellent advice.

 

When you roll in slop with a pig, you should always remember that the pig actually likes it.

 

Yeah, no one would want to be dragged down to the level of dignity of a person who says Smirnoff Ice Commercials with silly rappers are racist against whites.