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Andrei Crylenko should go the other way to earn money instead of staying in the league to ruin David Stern's NBA Market by flopping every time he got pwned! Damn,he just flopped as to get a win out of the clutch game 2 in last year's series.I hate him the most. Had I had chance would I have smacked him and punched him in his face with no remorse!He's a biatch!
don't forget the "Grand Flop" gotta love the way they say Barnes tripped him and pushed him. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/a2FG1WAry08&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/a2FG1WAry08&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
btw, is Kirilenko wearing the Estrogen Patch on his knee? <img src="http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site297/2008/1227/20081227__jazzon_1227~1_Gallery.jpg">
I don't understand how stern and the league haven't cracked down on the guys who violate the flopping policy habitually. there is no reason that kirilenko should continually be allowed to get away with this stuff. do refs study ANYTHING? i'd be embarrassed if this was my league. Also it seems to be a trend in these clips(doug collins in particular) for the announcers to not even mention it, and actually agree that the refs are making the correct calls. i mean are you serious? what is stern doing?
Last night Kirilenko got a loose ball foul called on Landry by jumping forward and flailing as a rebound came to Carl, you can see that Carl barely touches him but he goes flying forward. Afterward, Adelman was yelling at the ref telling him it was a flop.
Some people say well Scola and Battier flops, but the difference is they flop on hard contact. Kirlenko doesn't even have to get hit to fly 4 feet backwards. The sound effects of his flops are even funnier.
By lying to the fan's face, Stern calms the NBA fan base and reduces the complaints on flopping. Why does Stern leave flopping unpunished despite all the tools NBA could use to punish players? Simple, referees can go whistle happy if a player flops. They justify their calls by the players flop. Then on the other end, the flopper will cheat his way to getting a possession. What does this mean? A win-win situation for the NBA. If gambling was involved, referees could easily change the game by not making phantom calls, but calling fouls when players flop. Players go unpunished, and they get a possession from it. Referees get their bias calls justified. There really is not other reason not to punish flopping, besides the fact that it is a plausible way for referees to make Bullcrap calls that are justified as well. Fixing the game becomes that much easier with flopping, as shown time and time again.
Since Dirk has been suspended for a game, I can only assume the leauge has reviewed everything there is to review in that game and that AK47 has officially been given a pass.
Are Bob Allen and Tim Melton still broadcasting in Houston on KTRK TV? If so, I will pay $100 (I know, not much for you guys) to give me footage of the game where about 3 or 4 Utah Jazz players flopped at the exact same time. I wish there were a Youtube back then. I still say no flop in history is worse than that synchronized flop they showed on the news several years ago.
i'm generally a pretty big fan of stern's, but this is one issue he has dropped the ball on big time. either he doesn't think it's a problem (which seems impossible) or just doesn't care. because when stern wants to make a point or make an issue a point of emphasis, it generally goes how he wants. they got sick of technicals and players complaining so much and instituted the 16 technical foul limit. i think rasheed went over it one year and is the only person ever suspended a game for it. kobe, who complains as much as anyone, picked up technical 15 with 10 games to go last year and he didn't have so much as an impure thought about the refs the rest of the way for fear of being suspended. they wanted to get rid of handchecking? well, they pretty much have. stern wanted the players to dress better? after a little b****ing, everyone fell in line. they could do the same for flopping, and they need to. i saw this flop the other night and just couldn't believe it. thinking back to the biggest floppers thread, i can't believe i didn't think of kirilenko as the clear cut #1. not only does he flail the most and do the most exaggerated flops, i really can think of almost no one else that doesn't even require some contact. even a varejao flop usually looks like some contact was made. this is 3 or 4 now where kirilenko wasn't even touched. i'm not even sure how you can feel good about yourself doing that. but if referees are really so stupid as to think his head just flies back from vicious contact every time, i guess he'd be stupid not to do it. do refs look at tendencies AT ALL? how can you not know who the biggest floppers are? how can you reward them EVERY SINGLE TIME they flop. does it never occur to you that there really wasn't that much contact, especially when they have to review films of themselves and have to see how stupid they look making the call? i think outside of the game penalties and a "point of emphasis" on not calling flops would work wonders. you may not even need in game "flopping" fouls or technicals. i wouldn't even limit it to plays where there wasn't contact. even "selling a call" would be punishable. if someone sort of touches you but your head snaps back like you just took a sniper shot, you get fined. the head snapping back flops are what i would really focus on. and like moes or someone said, the penalty increases for each incident. if you start getting suspended around incident number 3, you're going to stop flopping. and if you make it a point of emphasis to where refs feel comfortable not calling it and thinking they're missing a call, floppers will stop when they don't get the calls. maybe a couple of legitimate fouls will be ignored, but that might be the price that is paid. even for in-game penalties, i wouldn't even say you couldn't be given a foul for actual contact, but then have the guy that drew the foul still be given a flopping technical for trying to exaggerate. like i said, when stern wants something, he usually gets it. so basically, he doesn't want it, and he's making the product worse by not addressing it, which just seems amazing. as for people wondering if kirilenko will get fined, didn't they ultimately decide not to do that this offseason? edit: and maybe this makes me a poor sport, but if someone did that to me, the very next time down the court i would ask for the ball, let them get up on me like the time before, and then swing my arms from one side to the other and just elbow the everloving **** out of them right in the face. i would make it look like a basketball move or something, but i would try to hit them as hard as i could. if they kicked me out, whatever. suspension? oh well. and if i was the coach, i'd have whoever replaced the ejected guy do the same thing the very next time. i'm talking karl malone on david robinson elbows, if i had the aim and power to do so. i don't think i'd even feel bad about it. in fact, i would be rooting for an injury. broken nose or missing teeth or a concussion. something that would send a message.
fining players is a joke. sterns needs to fine the refs. put the proceeds in a tip jar to divy out to the refs who never get fined...or who are the top 10 best or something. that is: a fine and bonus system....just like the luxury tax system.
just shows you the home court advantage for utah is not really that they play better...it's more or less the home whistles they get. when they don't get those, they lose to teams like thunders on the raod
There's the problem. David Stern doesn't think there is anything wrong. He keeps saying that the refs are almost always right and that the NBA does not need to improve it officiating. Ugh.
I'm still pissed Stern didn't fine AK47. Everything the league said this summer about fining floppers was just lip service.
Don't think so. This is a slippery slope and Stern realizes there is no going back. But I think he will be forced to do something eventually if he doesn't retire soon. My question: Has Stern ever publicly stated a clear opinion about flopping? I mean something beyond, "We are looking at it" or "next question". One thing that frustrates me about him is how selective he is when answering questions.
