i love how people act like jvg is the GM as well. give me a break...what else crap can people make up to unjustly dislike someone?
I never did enjoy Van Grumpys style. His offense is so painful to watch and there was no flow and was so stagnant. His defense was great, but if you can not score you still don't win. Plus I hate it when he doesn't give the rookies playing time and don't develop them. I am glad he is OUT!!!!!
I posted a list in another thread of every player that NY drafted that JVG "refused to play", it was a big steaming plie of guys that wish they were jouneymen of the caliber of Weatherspoon. JVG took what the Knicks gave them, which wasn't much, old Ewing, Houston, Spreewell, young Camby, Ward/Childs, and led them to the NBA finals.
I am so sorry. I had no idea. I thought Jeff liked these players. If i had known CD really loved all these ex knicks I wouldn't have commented. Had I known that Donnie Nelson went from building with youth and athleticism as he did with Golden State and and does with Dallas to older experienced defensive players while Jeff was there, again, I would not have commented. It must be a complete coincidence that not one first round pick of the knicks during JVG's stay was on the roster when he left and all were traded for older players because CD started doing that when Jeff got here. Gosh, I feel so pathetic right now. All this time I thought the teams he coached got older because he refuses to play youth and he will always play veteran experienced players over youth......wait, that is a direct quote from Jeff himself. Now I realize that the Knicks got to be the oldest team in the league on their own and the Rockets became the oldest team in the league on their own during the JVG era was all a big coincidence. I should have realized that the GMs in both places traded off all the youth so it wouldn't rot on the bench. Had I known how the GM process works from when I played, it must go something like this: CD..... I'm bringing in Ryan Bowen JVG.....Noooooo Nooo he has no offensive skills. All he can do is play D. CD......I don't care. You need to make do with what I give You. JVG.....If you say so. But I need more offensive players to make up for his obvious flaws. Can you help me? CD......Well, as it happens, most of the guys you had on your bench for the Knicks are now free agents or available, do you want them back? JVG.....Nooooooo. They were has-beens and never-was's in NY and they made me take them on the team. I made the most I could with them and got them to the finals but please don't bring them to Houston. I wish I would have had some input there. Please listen to me CD. They can't play and I don't want them. CD......Tough $&it Jeff, your stuck with them. CD on draft night.........We are going to trade away Stromile and Rudy Gay for Battier. What do you think? JVG.....I wish you wouldn't. They did that to me in NY when I had three number 1's one season and they traded them all away for Chris Mills and didn't ask me. Isn't he like Battier? I pleaded Nooo but they did it anyway because I like to develope young players. CD......Sorry Jeff, Play the hand your delt. Looking back now, this is probably exactly how it went down and I am ashamed for thinking Jeff had any Input. Again please accept my humble apology.
maybe jeff had input, but he doesnt have final say. thats the point. In the draft...JVG doesnt participate. Yet you blame him for such things. Bottom line, CD and LEs had final say so on whatever moves were made. Period. They are the bosses and to leave them out of you blame jvg for aids compain...well then you just look like a tool
Thanks. I am a tool. But I bet if we had a poll on how many people think that the head coach has more than "input" about who stays or goes on his roster, you would find yourself on the short end of the tool!!
..no...not a poll input is one thing but input alone doesnt get the deals done. The GM or owner does. its ok, you can accept the truth...it wont hurt
According to Jonathan Feigan at the Houston Chronicle, Rudy had a lot more power than JVG ever did. So, Rudy receiving more blame for these things was justified. Just because two guys had the same title doesn't meant they have equal say.
Charles Oakley Mark Jackson Rod Strickland Charlie Ward Who would Mr. Feigen say was responsible for bringing in these gentlemen?
Or significant dollars. Short term signings to plug holes here and there when nothing better is available. It's stupid to suggest that some 10-day contracts given to former players is a sign of power. These guys didn't make half of Cato's money combined. In the end, it's a fact taht Rudy had more influence on personnell matters than Van Gundy.
Pretty love JVG's style since his Knicks days back. Love JVG and Larry Brown. Defense, Defense , Defense, so nice! It is enjoyable to see forcing a team just to get 60-70.
he emphasizes defense and as a consequence plays at one of the slowest paces in the league as the spurs always finish in the bottom quarter of the league in this category. I think the answer is pretty obvious.
They are indeed in the middle, if you look at just PPG as they are 14th in that category this year. League PPG average 2007 Howerver a much better overall view IMO is offensive efficiency because as Sam correctly pointed out they play at a slower pace. They are 4th in OFF efficiency for the year With an effective FG% of 51.2% They are a smooth offensive machine So even though they play at a slower pace, they are still highly effective on both offense and defense - not just on one side of the ball. Which sounds a lot like the current coach of the Rockets and less like the former. DD
They work together to make roster decisions, no free pass for JVG or CD. Now if the young guys perform better for Adelman, it will make a lot more of the stink stick on JVG than on CD, but right now they are in the same cess pool. DD
Every team's offense is designed to be efficient as every play is theoretically designed to score two points. Likewise, every defensive set is desgined to prevent the other team from scoring. They're all designed to be perfectly efficient. Every coaches "style" is to be #1 in both as far as that goes. Accordingly, comparing coach's styles based on offensive or defensive efficiency is meaningless. That is a good way to evaluate performance, but not style. If you give Jeff Van Gundy 5 HOF players his offensive efficiency goes way up. Does that mean he changed his philosophy or style to emphasize offensive efficiency? No. Conversely if you give him 5 crappy players (like the 05-06 rockets, e.g.,) his offensive and defensive effiency goes way down. Again, does that he mean he changed his philosophy or style to emphasize defense less? No. Take Rick Adelman. His powerhouse 2001 Kings teams were #1 in offensive efficiency. His lousy mid-90's Warriors teams were middle of the pack Did he change his philosophy or style in between? No.
