actually i can. And in my post i didnt even mention a coaches name, i was purposely talking in generalities. Good basketball doesnt mean more dunks and more scoring. Its a bonus, but my point is that good basketball can be seen in all aspects of the game, for example defense or even watching away from the ball on offense.
EXACTLY. No more VanGonedy. No more One and VanDundy. However this thread is discussing STYLE. So I'd say I hate JVG Style. As Rox fan, I also hate Mavs very much, but I like their Style (not Cuban Style, though).
Must have balance Daniel-son!! Must have balance. The problem here is most of us do understand what we are watching. A smoothly functioning defense is a thing of Beauty! If this were the NFL and JVG were the defensive Cordinator, you would never hear a thing from anyone. If he could stay on in that capacity, i doubt you would hear a peep. Problem is that symphony on Defense is an elementary school beginners band on offense that cracks the ear drums. While our team was about defense, it was terrible in the playoffs allowing Utah to shoot damn near 50%. While we chunked them up in the low 40's and lower in some games. With any of that beautyful execution you spoke of on defense on the offensive end, we would still be playing right now. It is hard to score in the NBA with only one play. "Tracy walks the ball up and passes to Rafer who dumps to Yao, Double team comes, Yao kicks it back to Rafer, back into Yao and the double team comes. Flips the ball to Tracy with the clock running down. Tracy tries to drive and is double teamed at the top of the Arch (almost the mid court circle). Tracy beats the double team gets as deep as the free throw line before the lane is blocked and he kicks to a wide open (pick your poison here Rafer/Shane/Head) for a shot that has a 33 to 42 % chance of going in." The variation on this play is they cut tracy off at the arch and he heaves a three over the top with the clock running down. I just summed up Gene Peterson's game dialogue 52 times a game. In the NBA, most teams can stop one play or slow it down to the point it is inefficient. In the fourth quarters of regular season games you see this happen and all playoff games you see the lock down D. Our D became the revolving Door in the Fourth and our O was reduced to one Play. That is what most of us saw watching this team. If you saw anything else, You were wearing JVG colored glasses.
For 3 days I was able to lay it on thick to the Mav-lovers up here until I got shut up by us doing the same thing.
mavs "style" isnt all that great or entertaining either. They worked a lot of time off the clock and many times it was simply one of their scorers making a play, whether it was dirk , terry, howard or stackhouse.
entertaining b/c they had multiple guys that can create for themselves when a play is broken? lets not pretend like dallas plays some crazy inventive basketball with high flying acrobatics. they plays fairly simple basketball but just with players who can make 'entertaining' plays. but again, the "entertaining" part is debatable b/c like i mentioned one can easily enjoy other aspects of basketball other than what happens on offense.
good for you! Your owner - Cuban will buy some more talent- bust the cap and you can have more fun next season Enjoy your Mavericks!!! You can spend more time at their site and less time as a troll here.....
i'm baffled how some can say an entire game can be entertaining simply because of the defense being played well. watching the offense at times simply quashed whatever positive feelings i've had about their defense. it's like watching a bowler with perfect form getting a 7-10 split over and over or unable to convert his spares. a good defense (seldom against the best teams) can only be half as good as a good balanced game.
We did not have the players to be at the top of the league on both ends of the court. I think getting the fifth best scoring differential in the league is pretty good for a team on which Rafer Alston was the fourth best player, and Chuck Hayes is the starting PF.
JVG was popular in ny. Because he took a crappy team and made it pretty good. As soon as he left, the team went to perpetual lotto team and hasn't done squat since. I hope JVG gets a chance to coach a team with a solid starting 5 someday. I think it will dispell a lot of misconceptions about him. Anyway, our lot now is with Adelman - so hopefully he'll get some players to work with, and our current young players continue to work hard this off-season and get better (synder, novack, vpsan, head)
How did he make NY good? he traded their entire future for aging veterans trying to hit a five year window. When he missed, he knew there was no future and bailed and left the Knicks with the oldest team in the league and a roster of Oakley's and Charley Wards and a worn out Allen Houston. Sound familiar? He has tried that formula here and had us the oldest team in the league before Les made him take some youth (which he refused to play). If he does coach, I hope it's Portland or Seattle so when he gives away all the youth, Maybe we can get some!!!
Dude - how do you think JVG made any of the personal decisions??? They have been making horrid decisions before and after him. I'm so tired of people who don't know what the difference between a coach and a GM.
Sorry. If you don't think JVG has anything to do with personnel decisions, you are both nieve and sadly mistaken. One day you might figure out that in most pro orginazations (except baseball) the coach and GM sit down and the coach gives a list of what players he would like to see added or subtracted in each off season. They agree/disagree on the changes and The GM then goes out and makes this happen. Do you think Donnie Nelson wanted a lineup of Witherspoons, Oakleys, and Wards in NY? Amazing that CD decided he needed them here to Huh!!!
Those guys were filler guys who basically played for free. I wouldn't even count that as personnel decisions. JVG didn't have a lot of say in signing 4 guards to the knicks. Nor was JVG responsible for any contract on the Rockets. JVG didn't trade for Battier. In fact, JVG has openly hinted many times he didn't get the personnel he needed BEFORE he got fired. JVG didn't pick Luther head, he didn't pick VSPAN, he didn't pick Novack or Bonzi. He dealt with the hand he got. What you have is a GM who tries to plug holes on the cheap. Maybe that's why Charlie Thomas liked CD so much. Just look at the Rockets history prior to Les. When did we ever sign a big free agent? Our Championship team was built via the draft and trades. We have always signed scrubs to try to plug roles. Man, we lucked out with Vernon Maxwell. We got even luckier trading Otis Thorpe for Clyde Drexler. We got lucky picking Robert Horry and Sam Cassell. You can attack JVG's style for sure - but don't blame him for decisions he didn't make. That's just pathetically putting blame on someone to make yourself feel justified.
