DICK says: Trading T-Mac will be Daryl Morey's toughest assignment

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Adelman is a genius. He has his own bball theory and system. He is quite old, and this is probably the last chance for him to prove his theory and system. He won't change his system for Tmac. If his bball theory is proved to be successful this season, I don't think he will be willing to change his system for Yao next season. Nothing is wrong with that. If I was Adelman, I would do the same thing.

 

I think Morey will get on a conf call and try to turn this into a multi-team deal to get it done. There are other teams that would like to make moves but just cant straight up with another team.

 

I factored that into my trade scenario. NY receives $22,843,000 worth of expiring contracts. Houston receives $21,040,000 worth of expiring contracts. In other words, NY receives more expirings than it gives up. Additionally, Robinson is unhappy, Mobley isn't playing, and Milicic has publicly announced he's not returning.

Seems like its win-win for both sides.

 

This isn't a difficult concept. Morey states what he wants: a current All-Star or player capable of becoming an All-Star. Guess what? There's a good chance that said player is already making decent money. It's also pretty much a foregone conclusion that in any such deal we'll be required to take back a nasty of contract or two. There's a good chance that when you do all the math we'll be in the neighborhood needed to execute such a deal.

Again, if he's saying his goal is to acquire that player or simply hang onto him and let him expire -- where is the need to break his contract up into pieces? I know it's an option, and it's by no means a priority, given that there's no guarantee that once you complete the initial "break up deal" that you'll be able pull something off in time before the deadline passes (since, after all, most of these type of deals happen in February to begin with). Morey clearly thinks McGrady's contract could net us something significant. Under your faulty "priority" approach, we run the risk of squandering that opportunity for nothing.

 

Why don't they just keep McGrady then? Getting JUST expiring contracts won't help the Rockets one bit because they still won't have cap room next summer for any big FA. Your scenario gets us two expiring contracts and a player that really has no place on a team like the Rockets with Brooks and Lowry already here. I shudder at the thought of having Brooks, Robinson, and Lowry out there at the same time as a possible lineup

 

Breaking one large expiring into three smaller expirings gives us more flexibility in regards to potential trading partners.

 

Don't forget David West even Josh Howard the year Dallas went to the Finals, I believe was when he was an all star.

I believe Chase has all star potential, he has a great IQ and skill set.



So... I hear Tracy is gettin traded, any takers???

 

You're right. This isn't a difficult concept. How about a simplistic example to clear things up. Right now, if we wanted to trade McGrady to the Kings for Martin and Nocioni, we wouldn't be able to do it b/c the salary disparity is too great.

However, if we were to trade McGrady to NY for Mobley, Milicic, and Robinson, we could then trade Mobley and Milicic for to the Kings for Nocioni and Martin.

What can one large expiring net us that three smaller expirings can't?

Absolutely nothing. The only difference is that three smaller expirings gives us flexibility.

Here's another example. Let's say you're out shopping at the mall. Would you rather have a $100 bill or five $20 bills? Obviously, you'd want the five $20 bills. Some stores may not have change for a $100 bill and other stores may not accept bills over $50. Simply put, having five $20's instead of one $100 gives you more flexibility.

 

It sure will be now that everyone knows that Adelman said he thought that McGrady could no longer help his team-- what is everyone going to think about McGrady- is he all washed up!

 

If there are no restrictions on trading a player who has just been traded, this could work out well. I was under the impression that after a trade takes place there was a lock out period before the player could be traded again though?

 

I don't see any realistic trade scenarios that are better than just letting T-Mac's contract expire-- but I don't have an MIT diploma, either. Anthony Randolph or Kevin Martin would be nice, but I just don't see how either would or could get traded to us before this season's deadline. Regardless, I like the team we got, a lot.

 

Morey and RA shouldn't have played Tmac at all. Even if Tmac could help, he'd be gone next season anyway.

Now it's basiclly the worst case.

 

Yeah, I was thinking something along the lines of a 3 team trade; I should've been clearer.

 

i really disagree with the rockets going public with trade rumors. i think its better to keep him until the end of the year and leave him on the bench. meanwhile they can tap into our "other" rookie in jermaine taylor. this kid can play! he can do everything tmac can do but he needs some more time to develop his timing and chemistry with the rest of the team. i vote to keep mac until the contract expires and play more taylor! then we can just let mac go and we will have money to go shopping!

 

As long as we're playing with arbitrary examples, what you're essentially arguing is that a three-way trade is less complicated that a standard two team swap. Like it or not, that's essentially what you're arguing with this "priority" approach when in reality it makes things more complicated, creates more variables, adds restrictions and allows the chance for more things to go wrong especially whenever most of these matters are time sensitive. Again, I clearly recognize this approach as an option (and I treat it as such in my "What type of trade do you prefer?" thread). I just don't think it's an idea in the picture anymore given what we've heard today about Morey's intentions.

If we go after an All-Star level talent, as suggested, it's going to cost us. Everybody knows that. Using K-Mart as an example is just about the only thing you've got going for you here since K-Mart doesn't make the usual $15-20M that we're used to seeing stars make. Those are the type of players Morey will likely consider too, and with that comes the nasty contracts. As long as Morey is striving to complete this type of deal, finding the salary necessary to match McGrady's massive contract isn't as hard as it may seem.

Again, I get what you're saying. I just can't agree that it's anything but a last resort (at best) given what we've heard today. We can agree to disagree or keep this thing going if you want. Just make sure you consider all the information at hand in your arguments.

 

2009 - he was doing that in his last few games even in 8 minutes.

 

Joe Johnson - number 10 pick - starter in his rookie year with the Celtic
Caron Butler - number 10 pick
Richard Hamilton - number 7 pick - huge star in the NCAA
Chauncey Billups - number 3 pick

These guys were coming into the league expected to become stars and they did within one or two years.

 

Blinded by manlove. How sweet.

 

I fully realize that you are overstating things to back up your point of view, but
is it really that difficult to realize that saying a player doesn't fit with a specific style of play or with a certain group of players is very different than saying that the player can't play?

Adelman said that the current Rockets would not be as successful as they currently are if they tried to run the offense through McGrady. He didn't say it wouldn't work at all, he said it wouldn't work as well. He also never said McGrady couldn't play any more.

There's plenty of instances of a player being a bad fit with one team and then being able to contribute to another team. Different teams have different strengths and needs. A player can be a bad fit in one place and a good fit in another.

It all comes down to what helps your team get better. That's really a pretty simple concept. If a change helps, then you make it. If it doesn't then you don't.
Many people are trying to jump to extremes and claim that Adelman won't change his system (I do realize your post didn't say that). That's ridiculous. Adelman's Portland team played differently than his GS team who played different than his Sacramento team and the Yao/Tracy Rockets were different still. Claiming that Adelman won't change his system is a silly argument, there's too much historical information to disprove that. Adelman simply felt that the current system gave us a better chance than running things through McGrady. When Yao comes back next year, we'll play differently than we do now. That's because Adelman/Morey will realize that incorporating Yao makes us better.

 

maybe, but those arent all-star stats or unique stats...so i dont know about being the "first budinger"