[Developing] Nancy Pelosi's husband violently beaten with hammer

That's the point. It was developing and you didn't wait until it did. You posted information from a narrative generated by right wing extremists that turned out to be false.

 

Has nothing to do with "right wing extremist" - the MSNBC (journalist) who basically reported exactly what happened got suspended for it. Your apparatchik mindset that wants to control what information gets shared is what is behind such things.

 

You clearly disassociated it in the post I replied to
which is why I asked the question to begin with.

I don’t understand why it’s worth derailing the question into an audit of Democratic branding from 2001 to 2015. Watching the SOTU last night it’s clear from messaging that the party heads know they have work to do with the working class… but that’s besides the point.

The issue is disinformation and conspiracy theory culture. I don’t see MSNBC trafficking 9/11 conspiracy theories or anything. But I can turn on FoxNews and I’ll get a platter of conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden’s laptop, Covid 23 balloons, and Paul Pelosi being a closet gay sex slave in the matter of minutes.

And that’s just a “mainstream” outlet. Heaven forbid i hate myself enough to go listen to Info Wars or get on 8chan.

Also I’ve been sent QAnon conspiracy theories from family members and they always start with elements that are universal issues like “people are struggling to pay their bills…” and then it jumps to blaming the other or secret societies or elites, then at some point they start the process of elimination which leads to the ONLY answer being Trump as a savior figure.

I’m sorry man but it is a MAGA problem. There are no propaganda outlets I know of that traffic in disinformation like this. Sometimes leftist outlets play up fear based issues too but there’s never outright crazy conspiracy theories as part of their messaging. Since 9/11 trutherism I really cannot recall being exposed to any conspiracy theories that come close to the nonsense even the “mainstream” outlets traffic in regularly.

Can you seriously think of anything on the left that’s equivalent to shapeshifting reptilians who
drink the blood of children secretly running the government?

 

I'm sorry you experience that, with these conspiracy theories.

I don't watch TV really outside of sports at this point (I get a lot of my news from here lol), so I cannot comment on MSNBC vs. FOX etc.

I also don't know any MAGA people personally except for Ric Grenell. In person, I do not have any political discussions in this country. Just working all the time, my political arguing happens here .

But I would probably not want to spend time around loonies from either end of the political spectrum, in person.

 

I grew up in the evangelical church and so members of my family are very into the end of days prophecies etc which is a big element of conspiracy theory culture. The crap that comes out of Marjorie Taylor Greenes mouth is what I frequently hear at family gatherings. These are very mainstream thoughts with the evangelical church goers. Hard to say it’s fringe and play ignorant to it when it’s literally holding the gavel on the House floor and is the primary candidate to be the VP for the next Republican nominee. Maybe your German heritage has shielded you from the evangelical world here in the US but soon enough I would hope you’d realize it’s a problem and intersects with the right wing conspiracy theory culture.

Im not going to lecture anyone on switching to be a lefty and vote for Biden next year, but I do ask those on the right to do a better job of dealing with the extremist element of your politics because I do think it’s dangerous. I can only imagine what the response would be today to Timothy McVeigh. All the sudden FoxNews would go wall to wall trying to convince America that the Turner Diaries are actually a liberal Antifa publication.

Back in the 90’s it wasn’t a big deal at all for the party of Reagan to condemn white supremacy terrorism. Nowadays because that element has so much power in the party the propaganda outlets work overtime to try and use the Men in Black stick to convince people the sky is actually made of candy corn.

 

I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is a dangerous lunatic.

My only exposure to the Evangelical Christian movement in the US was with a "host family" (I didn't live with them, it was just something organized via UH where they invited me over to their house sometimes) I had while I was a student in Houston in 1995-1996. I posted about this before, but I always found it really weird that the guy was trying to get me to join him for bible studies, etc. I just wanted to be with my girlfriend, party and get wasted lol, so I always came up with excuses.

He was one of the architects of the conservative takeover of the Southern Baptist convention.

https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...servative-resurgence-was-grassroots-movement/

Turns out, years later, when I googled him to see if he was still alive, that this happened:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...eme-Court-rules-against-Southern-17076007.php

I can't even say I was very surprised. They were always very friendly to me, but there was something slightly creepy I sensed in the air even back then.

I learn from what I read here on the BBS, and your personal perspective is very insightful. Thanks. I'm not exposed to or identify with any of the US right wing groups, other than whatever shows up in my Twitter feed or what I read here about DeSantis, Trump, et al.

 

Hopefully it also helps to know that I still love my family and we can mostly get along as long as they suppress as much craziness as they can. It's hard for them though because they are just wired to assume everyone thinks exactly like they do.

I won't turn the tables and accuse them all of being just as bad as the enemies they imagine themselves. Most are well intended, and most of them have well enough means to have ALOT to lose by doing something stupid like McVeigh. The real danger from a violence perspective is the men from ages 17 to 45 who have relationship problems, financial problems, find community in the online groups who rile each other up, and have access to weaponry.

BUT the problem is the people who have alot to lose who aren't pulling the trigger are still responsible for getting this ideology in front of people like Pelosi's attacker, and the elected officials who rile these people up with coded language, and then act ignorant when they actually act.

My hope is that the Dominion case against FoxNews really does change alot of this through the structure of our judicial system. If there's precedent setting consequences legally I do hop that makes a huge difference in mainstreaming and benefiting off of this crap that really does radicalize people like Tim McVeigh, or these idiots trying to blow up power plants out East that can do damage on a mass scale beyond a one-off assassination attempt... which also is bad, but not the threat that others pose.

 

Marjorie Taylor Green, Ted Cruz, and other right wing extremists were pushing the same homosexual tryst, left wing motivation, narrative that you were posting here. Yes, they were right wing extremists. They were pushing the same or similar theories, media, and tweets that you were posting in this thread.

Pointing that out isn't an effort to control what information is allowed or not allowed. It is merely an examination and questioning of why someone would continue to post that information and a valid point of weighing the type of evidence anyone posting that stuff is partial to post.

 

It's relatively simple - very early on, people from the Left wanted to portray this as a clear-cut MAGA case, and they wanted to benefit from that politically. Only natural that the other side then looks at the available information in this case and says, wait a second, this doesn't add up, this guy spent his entire life in leftist circles, his ex-partner says he is far left politically, his whole life points in that direction, etc.

Whenever something happens, the respective sides interpret it through their respective "glasses" with their built-in bias, and then also try to interpret it in a way that affirms their views or benefits their side politically.

Kind of like when the Left tries to downplay antifa violence, while the Right likes to talk about it as a symptom of what the Left has become. Or how much of the Left likes to condemn Israel because for whatever reason, they side with Islamists a lot. The Left likes to frame things in a "politically correct" way, so they will try to downplay or not mention it when a member of a minority they view as persecuted commits a crime, whereas the far right people will want to focus on the person's illegal immigrant status because they see it as proof that illegal immigration leads to more crime.

Etc. etc.

 

Except a lot of the information being pushed was false. Early on we had his words describing why he did it.

At that point the undwear double hammer thing wasn't relevant. The fact that it was in the bay area wasn't relevant.

Many of those things ended up being false.

The idea that he could and should have run away when law enforcement came was false. People presumed they knew and rather than ask if their erroneous presumptions might be possible, they framed it to cast doubt on the victim.

 

To this day, he hasn't said that he is a MAGA follower. He apparently had a lot of blog pages in which he spouted ALL KINDS of conspiracy theories.

Yet, you are desperate to paint him as solely motivated by MAGA.

 

No. Initially, I said we didn't know his reasoning. Then when he spouted right wing MAGA talking points in his explanation, it was clear.

None of what you said changes the fact that you continued to make posts pushing a false right wing narrative.

 

It's clear that he believed in a bunch of conspiracy theories, not only "MAGA" ones. You are just trying to fit what happened into something that confirms your bias.

 

Yes. At different times he did. That isn't in question.

None of that has anything to do with posting stuff that turned out to be complete crap and was part of a false narrative being pushed by right wing fringe extremists.

However you choose to rationalize you doing that is up to you.

 

@AroundTheWorld any update on your gay attacker theory that you claim you weren't trying spew? It's funny how you spew random disingenuous tweets then claim its not what you believe but you were just spreading ideas.

 

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