[Developing] Nancy Pelosi's husband violently beaten with hammer

The end result of what actually happened and we saw in this thread.

 

There is nothing here you can gloat about. Some crazy nudist Hippie Canadian illegal immigrant conspiracy theorist who used to be a volunteer for leftist organization "Indybay" broke into the Pelosi's house and ended up hitting the elderly husband of Nancy Pelosi with a hammer, in front of the police. Almost all his traces on the Internet weirdly got deleted very quickly. Afterwards, the Left has been very desperately trying to brand the guy as MAGA, when the reality is that it appears more likely he was motivated by a weird mix of paranoia and conspiracy theories. The attacker did plead not guilty. Trial hasn't even started yet. The guy is not let out on bail, like many other people would be.

Those are the facts we know now.

I never stated anything else as certain fact.

 

So #walkaway was a fake grift?

There are billions possibly trillions of former leftists who have walked away and joined the right because they've discovered how evil wokeism is.

 

I guess you missed the MAGA rant he went on during his interview

 

You mean the thing where he supposedly called a journalist from jail?

 

Sounds like he wrote down what he wanted to say and was reading from his notes, to me.

I think if there was a grand conspiracy against him, the people involved would have hired a better voice actor, lol.

 

Ya you definitely are a moderate.

 

We have a pretty good idea why he broke in to her home, and it has nothing to do with any of these things: his immigration status, nudism, Indybay, or him maybe being a hippie once upon a time.

It’s really silly, more to the point dishonest, that you continue to bring up those things like they are at all relevant to what happened.

 

Police interview, in case it wasn’t posted. Audio is difficult to hear, but there is a transcript:

 

You think that the guy's background is irrelevant for understanding what has led him to his crazy actions? You basically want to ignore the guy's entire life and then just say it all started around Jan. 6, and it's all Trump's fault?

 

Thanks - do you have a link to the full transcript? Kinda hard to listen to the audio in this for 17 minutes...I looked but could only find articles, not the full transcript.

But from the bit I heard/read, it certainly does sound like he had a specific gripe that is to some degree consistent with what the "stop the steal" people think. Of course, he also had a ton of other gripes and conspiracy theories, apparently, published on his blogs which we don't get to see.

 

You are ignoring the person he is today and fixated on details of his life from many years ago. You actually suggested his gripe with Nancy Pelosi is somehow related to the lefty protests Indy Bay had against her. Are you still maintaining that or not?

His past is maybe relevant to understanding his personality type and how susceptible he is to conspiracy theories. But you are going to great steps to avoid acknowledging what is now clear — it was exposure to online right-wing conspiracy theories that pushed him to commit violence. Not him being an illegal immigrant from Canada who was into nudism and did volunteer work for IndyBay many years ago.

 

Transcript can be accessed from YouTube. Worked for me in my phone app, at least. Don’t see any easy way to copy and paste it here.

 

It doesn't matter what you said you believe as facts. You posted a string of things that turned out to be false and helped pushed a false narrative that the right wing extremists were trying to push.

The fact that you are now trying to act like you didn't buy into the narrative you were repeatedly posting doesn't really matter.

 

No, I do not avoid acknowledging that his statements do make it seem that he was influenced by propaganda the "stop the steal" people were also influenced by. To me, he just seems like a confused person that, for years already, has been very susceptible to all kinds of weird crap and conspiracy theories. Given his background, it is not that surprising that he would latch on to some of the conspiracy theories that have been floating around more, including that one.

I was probably wrong in assuming that, based on his background, he was only motivated by other gripes his community had with the Pelosis.

But based on his entire history, it still seems quite possible and likely that while the target of his gripes stayed similar, his "upset meter" got re-charged with other conspiracies, this time from the right.

I have always said that I think the far right and the far left are actually not very far apart. You see crazy people/conspiracy theorists drifting back and forth between the two.

In Germany, there were some former communist extremists who later joined xenophobic right-wing extremist movements. And the other way around.

I don't really care about FranchiseBlade's little victory laps. I was making my comments based on the information available at the time. Nothing I stated as fact has been untrue.

 

I can't find it, but I guess the jist of it has been posted in some articles.

The guy doesn't seem to care about or have real legal advice.

 

It isn't a victory lap. I'm trying to hope for change in media posting. You posted stories that implied and to tried to push the gay lover narrative, the left wing activist narrative, etc. is the issue. The fact that you claimed that you just wanted facts and weren't making a judgment while still posting multiple of these tweets and articles pushing that narrative doesn't really matter. You posted media pushing a narrative. Whether you said that you 100% accepted it as fact for not, isn't really important.

The things you were posting have been shown to be inaccurate. Pelosi couldn't have run away, it wasn't a homosexual tryst, they didn't each have hammers, they weren't parading around in their underwear. Just a thought that maybe next time the whole site might be better if nobody pushes that kind of stuff.

I'm not saying that you need to change your posting style. I'm saying that we've seen how accurate the sources you post were in this case and it is fair to take that into consideration in the future.

 

Serious question:

Why would anybody disassociate MAGA from conspiracy theory culture?

 

I am not dissociating it. I think a lot of the MAGA movement is Trump cleverly exploiting those who feel like they have been disempowered in society, misleading them into believing that he goes to bat for them (of course he doesn't, for him it's all about himself).

This would be a longer discussion, but to me, much of the fault in enabling Trump's ascendence to power lies on the Left. Rather than to continue fighting first and foremost for their traditional base - blue collar workers - they ended up going after all kinds of outlier special interest groups. At some point, they lost much of their traditional base who felt like nobody was representing them anymore. Trump recognized that and pretended to be these people's champion, with much "success" for him. Using conspiracy theories is part of that game - "they have it out for you, I am here to protect you".

And the Republican party allowed itself to become hostage to Trump's personal ego trip.

 

It was (still is) a developing story. I understand you would like to make sure that only things which are convenient to your leftist party line should be allowed to be in the news, everything else should be branded "misinformation" and be censored.

You would make a good apparatchik in China.