They lost to a winless Vikings team. And the Seahawks and Texans have been playing better defense. One is still worse than the other (Seahawks)
Fair enough. I guess my perspective is you could do the same thing with all these QBs; Mahomes and Rodgers aren't perfect either and they make mistakes, bad reads, bad throws occasionally. You aren't going to get perfection even from the most elite. Mahomes had what I thought was poorer showing against a lesser defense in the Broncos, with his full complement of skill players, than Deshaun this past weekend against a stout Colts defense without his top receiver (let alone the former #1 receiver they dumped in the off-season), his replacement (cooks) getting knocked out a chunk of the game, and a bunch of practice squad dudes. Arguing that there's clear separation between these top 5 or so guys isn't worthwhile in my mind since they are all in different situations.
I can agree with most of that, more than fair. I personally just think there is a clear separation from the top 3 and the next group of 4-5. That’s not even mentioning how many quarterbacks are putting up historic numbers. Don’t know if it’s this season or if it’s just the nature of the game (going away from more traditional offenses) You have a rookie putting up the best season of all time for a rookie. He’s right there with the second tier. Carr and Tannehill putting up stupid numbers. Like I said, I love Watson. More for intangibles than anything. The rose colored glasses types in here aren’t very realistic imo.
This. A lot of this. I know there's thinking out there that the Chiefs are just coasting but they haven't been super impressive looking in awhile. A A Ron has multiple stinker games a year on average. Expecting your QB week in and week out to be perfect is going to leave you disappointed. The issue is when Deshaun makes a bad play or has a subpar game some posters come in to use this as fuel for their argument against him, but are silent when he balls out. And the separation between the QB tiers is not as wide either. Mahomes is in his own tier. Watson, Russ, and Discount Double Check are right there in the next tier. Josh Allen is approaching and almost there if he keeps this play up.
No. Those are not remotely comparable. You absolutely trade 7 years for similar results - that's significant. You do not trade three years for a small sample size of less than 12 NFL starts. Money *is* an issue - but this is a much better, more relevant conversation this time next year when we see which of the rookie QBs have sustained their rookie success.
You also take sustained success and winning (Wilson) over a single year of elite play. 32 is not old for today’s Quarterbacks.
It's...... not. The Texans have played 6 teams with at least 8 wins (and two of those were against teams with double-digit wins). And if Baltimore wins tonight (likely), it'll be 7 games against teams with at least 7 wins. Seven of 12 games against teams with a winning record. The Seahawks have played 3 teams with at least 8 wins - and those are the only teams they've played with a winning record. Three of 12 games against teams with a winning record. No excuses - but the Texans' schedule has been brutal.
As I've said, Seattle would not make that trade for a lot of reasons. But they would absolutely trade generic 32-year old QB for generic 25-year old QB if the deal netted them similar production. And this may be Watson's first "elite" year - but it's been building. This isn't an outlier. He was good in '18; better n '19; and this is his best season. That's a natural progression, and a long enough track record, to make the trade viable. Nobody - other than you - thinks this year is a) a fluke; b) Watson's ceiling.
Texans schedule has been tough. But records are inflated by playing the Texans and Jaguars as well. The opposite is true for Seahawks and that division.
2018 was better than 2019, by quite a bit. No where have I said what he is doing is a fluke. Your problem is you can’t be objective. Similar to others here. I’ve said others are performing as well as Watson (at a much cheaper price) and a handful that are out performing Watson. That doesn’t mean he is bad, I am going to temper my expectations and excitement until I see sustained excellence. I am cautiously hopeful of that for him specifically, but not for the team.
Their defenses are very nearly identical, in terms of metrics. The one difference? Seattle's defense has generated 17 takeaways; the Texans 8. That's a significant advantage that has a direct impact on QB/offense.
The one difference is record. If you want to nitpick about who is marginally better, do the same when talking about Wilson statistics as well.
Buffalo? Buffalo? LMAO How did I know this would be the nuthuggers response. It's literally a position neither side can debate. I'm starting to long for the days of yeah but Watson is so much better than Allen days.
Well yes, players who possess great leadership intangibles, especially the QB, will take blame for a loss and deflect attention no matter what
Watson carried the team and beat Allen last year in the wild card. And then he’s putting up a better QB rating this season
Allen is having a much better season than DW4 this yr. I dont care what you say and I watch alot of the Bills games.
