I like Rose but is he really a better prospect than CP3? I have seen a few of Roses' games, and he is a tremendous talent but he doesnt appear to be the prototypical point guard. He is no doubt a better athlete than CP3, but it doesnt appear to me that he has the same type of control/command of the game as CP3. CP3 always had this quality, and I am not sure if that is something you can teach.
Rose is pretty much the same size as Deron Williams, 6'3" and 200 (three different sources have him 6'3" with weight between 190-205). Physical and athletic like Williams too--maybe even eclipsing Williams in some regards in raw athletic ability. But Rose isn't a very good shooter though, not even the Deron Williams college level (good but not great). Like Mike Conley (who has better FG, APG and A/TO as a fellow fresh on a overly talented team BTW), he will have to work on that. It is one thing to play a Ben Gordon at SG, I don't see Rose there at all, unless his floor general skills/mentality are insufficient so that he becomes sort of the career betweener al la Antonio Daniels. Now I don't think so, I think Rose will make a regular NBA PG. Don't get me wrong, I am very impressed with Rose. But more than Beasley, a 26-12 guy with better shooting/scoring as nearly the only good player on his team, no. I think Beasley will have much more immediate impact in the NBA, and I can't say his ceiling is any lower as well.
Based on my opinion that he is better as a freshman and will be a better rookie than Durant, I think Beasley will win rookie of the year next season. It will take Rose longer to develop, but the guy has a chance to be special. As a prospect coming out of college, he tops both Paul and Williams. It's on him to better himself into an All-Star, MVP caliber player in the NBA. The improvement of Paul and Williams since joining the league speaks very well of both players. Rose has a tough act to follow but he can definitely do it.
I honestly think there is no one comparable to Rose in this draft in terms of physical size and athletic ability (Beasley is somewhat overrated in my opinion). I have never seen a point guard with this much explosiveness and in such a incredible body too (around 6-4 and 200 pounds). Along with that he has the necessary skill set and intangibles for a point guard. And contrary to popular belief, he is a true point guard who can run the table with great control and poise so rarely seen in a freshman regardless of position. On another note, I just kinda laugh at the all bandwagon media and people who are just now realizing just how good Memphis and Derrick Rose really is. I for one have never doubted their ability and especially about Derrick Rose.
The HOUSTON Rockets majorly shot themselves in the foot with the Glyde Drexler and Rashard Lewis debacles. The first thought in my mind when the Rox passed over Clyde was...OMG, forget player evaluations...how could those idiots pass over the marketing opportunity of the decade?!? MEM...if given the opportunity...would be very wise not to repeat the aforementioned blunders. A team that has Rose in tow, Miller's contract to deal, Rudy Gay, $10m+ in cap space and desireable PG's to move to the EC should be well positioned for a quick turnaround. Only fly-in-the-ointment for the Grizz is what they do with Iavarroni who has gotten very mixed reviews.
I think Rose is way more athletic than Deron Williams, this kid has some serious hops to go with some wheels. In trying to find a good comparison for Rose, I think his best comparison is STEVE FRANCIS. Almost identical in size, they both have/had unbelievable athleticism that they use to make plays. Streaky shooters that aren't true PGs. Rose will be a good one in the NBA, if he can improve his jumpshot and learn how to pick and roll, he could be great.
If Derrick Rose is still on the board...and ANY NBA team picks Kaun ahead of Rose...they better hope their stadium and managerial office space has not had a lapse of their franchise fire insurance policies.
I've gotta disagree. Rose is a true PG. Unlike SF, he has good floor vision and looks first to set up his teammates, even when he's isolated on a defender. His handles are also much better.
While Rose might be more of a true PG than SF, I still really wouldn't consider him a true PG compared to guys like CP3, D. Williams, Kidd, Nash, etc...
Nah I didn't say teams should pick Kaun over Rose. I just like how Kaun gets wiiiideeeee open off pick and rolls everytime he picks almost. And he can finish decent. But yeah, I didn't mean it as teams should pick Kaun over Rose by any means.
To each his own. If you are watching tonight and saw them against UCLA, I don't how much more Rose could act like a PG. Tonight (so far) I think he's being too unselfish and needs to dominate the ball a bit more. And comparing him (a freshman in college) to Paul, Williams, Kidd and Nash is unfair. Rose is a true PG by any reasonable standard.
Thats the thing, Kidd and CP3 were great floor leaders their freshmen year, and I dont think Rose is even close to that level as a freshmen. There is no doubt he is talented, but I am not sold he will turn out as an elite point guard. That doesnt mean he wont be a great nba player though, but I dont believe point great guard skills can be taught and it is apparent who has it and who doesnt.
I wasn't comparing Rose to CP, Kidd, etc...now that they are in the NBA. All those guys were really good PGs their freshman year as well. Rose had a great 2nd half and he showed the entire package and his PG skills will only improve, but I think is more like SF and Baron Davis vs. Kidd and Nash. But the kid will be a great one.
I think he'll be drafted ahead of Beasley at 1. It doesn't matter how talented Beasley is, the way the league is currently configured, point guards have much more sway on the outcome of a game than forwards. And no one wants to make the Marvin Williams over Chris Paul/Deron Williams pick.
I thought about Steve Francis when watching Rose also. I don't know about better court vision, I always thought Francis had good court vision, its the decision making that was the problem. Rose does have better handles though.
Two ball dominators? I'm not sure. Honestly, I like Rose better as a ball dominating guard than Kamikaze Wade - though he's clearly not going to be as great a scorer (IMO). Roster balance is always key - get a (ball dominating) guard and a beast big. That combo almost never fails. Two All-Star guards in the backcourt as your 1-2 punch? Mixed results. Fails as often as it succeeds. If I have the first pick and I'm.... Miami - take Beasley Seattle - push: Durant doesn't rebound well, or create for others. PG and PF both needs with so-so starters. Tough call - Durant needs to dominate the ball, and is a volume shooter. Minny - Rose NY - Rose Memphis - push: both PG and PF are glaring needs. Rose may be better, since Gay and Miller reduce the need for a big scorer. Unfortunately they're already carrying to young PGs. Evan
