If u put rose on the celtics they demolish the lakers. But its a good debate. I'd personally take rose but you wouldn't be wrong if you took rondo.
Both are the best players on their respective teams, and while Rondo has a better experienced supporting cast, no one can dispute that he carried that old squad through many playoff games and series. Once you tack on the ring and his superior defense (not just over Rose, but every other PG in the league), the decision becomes very easy. Rose is loaded with potential...which means you haven't done it...yet...if you ever will. Rondo, on the other hand, has the skins on the wall. Fwiw, I do think Rose will develop into a bullish (no pun intended) lead guard in the Baron Davis mold. No shame in that, since Baron was once considered at the very least a top 5 PG. But Baron also never really learned .good defense, leadership, nor shot selection. Rose has to learn some of those same elements, plus establishing a jumper. Put it this way, Rondo already has the leadership, experience and confidence (he's racked up near triple double series as a slight PG) he just needs a more consistent jimmy. Derrick needs ALL of those things and, until he gets them, I cannot put him above a championship level, HOF team LEADING point guard. And, yes, he is their leader and their best player. Doc, KG, and Pierce have all acknowledged as much.
Rondo's lack of a shot outside the key gives the nod to Rose for me. I think a lot of you guys are forgetting how young Rose is too. He played one year at Memphis and won't be 22 until training camp. I just think he is going to get better and better over the years. I just don't think Rondo will get any better without adding a consistent jumper to his game. It doesn't look like he will 4yrs into his career.
Right now Rondo. Rondo is the 3rd best PG in the league IMO right after Deron Williams and CP3. In 2-3 years maybe Rose. I think Rondo has reached his ceiling on everything except for being a better shooter and even that he's improved quite a bit. He's the best defending PG, probably the best rebounding PG and he's a leader that controls the team. Rose is a very good player but I think he has a lot of room to improve which isn't a knock. He just has a lot of untapped potential left in his game. Everybody says Rondo has the "big 3" or better teammates. Rondo has literally carried that old ass team for the last 2 years. It should be Rondo + "big 3" if you can even call them the big 3 anymore. Rondo is the superstar and the rest of them are stars if that.
True, but that doesn't mean Rose is a better player, just a better matchup against LA. Boston needed more aggression from Rondo...not even buckets...just aggression. Rose probably could've done that aspect better in that series. Considering KG was getting molested by Pau, Pierce was struggling, Allen was playing peek-a-boo with his game, Wallace continued to steal paychecks, and big Perk got injured, they needed more - aggression wise - than Rondo could deliver then. It was when either Nate went in or Rondo decided it didn't matter his fg% (but rather it was more important he put pressure on the D) that the C's thrived. I think that's a valuable lesson that Rajon will take from that series. Armed with that knowledge, his game should escalate yet another level. Rose isn't privy to such experiences. Not saying it's all his fault. Just stating the truth. Once...if...he gets those battle scars, we can revisit this convo and it might be a closer debate. Until then it's interesting, yes, but akin to comparing prime Dennis Johnson with an upstart Cleveland Cavalier's Kevin Johnson (minus his deadly J).
They didn't play like hall of famers last year in the playoffs. Sorry dude but this is getting old Rondo was/is they best player.
I voted for Rose. Think he is going to be one of the elite players in the league and can carry a team. He is supposed to have worked on his jumper more which would make him very difficult to guard. He has the ability to be a good defender after Tom's tutelage. I like Rondo as a player. Great stats across the board. Has amazing vision. But his shooting is a liability. I always wondered why Rondo doesnt work with the same shooting coach as Tony Parker (blanking on his name). He did wonders for his shot and once/if Rondo can shoot like him, he could be amazing and hard not to say he is one of the top 3 pgs in the league.
If rondo is really the superior player, could you see him leading the bulls father than rose? I couldn't, but I can see the Celtics better with Rose.
I voted Rose. A point guard should have a high assist to turnover ratio. I think Rondo beats Rose in this category but I still like Rose as a player more. He's just more complete and exciting to watch. Plus, Rondo is a Celtic which automatically puts him in my doghouse.
If Rondo could just increase his FTs to 75-80%, it would help him a lot. But his fear of driving and getting fouled hurts the Celts at times late in games. He really needs to get over that hurdle.
Actually, Yes. YES, I can see Rondo leading the Bulls further than Rose. Rose led the Bulls to a 41-41 record and 1st round playoff exits in his first 2 seasons. Rondo could probably lead the Bulls to a couple more regular season wins and although he might not be able to help them advance he'd at least get them equal to where Rose got the Bulls WHILE putting up better numbers. Rose has the bigger name and more marketability. Rondo definitely gets overshadowed with the big names in Boston and playing set up man and having to defer to others at every position. If Rondo were to swap places with Rose he would probably put up close to 20pts/10 assists/6 rebounds/3 steals. As is, he put up 14/10/4/2 while having to defer to his all star teammates, keeping everyone else happy and playing 4th option on offense most nights and sometimes 5th, 6th or even 7th depending if Wallace, Perk or Davis got hot. Rose only has 2 years of experience right now so that's why I say Rondo is the superior/better player right now. It's not fair to judge right now due to that fact but if we must it's Rondo. Rondo has got Rose beat on body of work alone amongst other things and I don't think you can really argue that. This should be a better debate in 2-3 years.
Rose already has good defense, good shot selection, and good leadership. Plus Rose has more court vision than Baron Davis ever had. Comparing them two just makes no sense. Davis always has a deadly mid range game, which Rose has only just begun to find.
i don't think so. rondo definitely makes the big 3 better, but the big 3 makes rondo better too. in the finals, kobe wasn't even guarding rondo so rondo got like 3 feet of space every damn time down the court and couldn't do anything. rondo has never been doubled/tripled or has been consistently been the main guy the other coaches gun out for. if you put rondo on the bulls, he migt not even scratch 40% shooting. he'll get rebounds and assists b/c he's a very good all-around player. but his offense would be pretty average. the cavs didn't even double rondo when he was dominating b/c of the big 3. and rondo is not good enough offensively to be the main guy if he was on the bulls. he might shoot as bad as brandon jennings as teams would just pack the paint and force him to shoot Js all day
why do u guys say Rondo is bad at shooting when D. Rose is just as bad as a shooter?...Rondo has better passing and Defense at this point of their careers, while Rose is more explosive, bigger and stronger.
Not saying he is Davis now. I realize some of their differences. I'm saying he could develop into that type of strong, brutish point guard. Rose has the physical attributes to be a lead scorer, like Davis, but I don't place his court vision as high as you may. I think its above average, as I did Baron's, but neither do I consider great. Rondo's is, imo, great and still getting better. As for the mid-range game, you're right that Baron's was always deadly. I think Rose can develop a consistent one as well. I do not think he'll develop consistent long range game, as he drifts too much when he shoots, but who knows? Extended sessions with a quality shooting coach (Chip Engulland) could change that. As for leadership, I still can't definitively say Noah isn't the leader of that team. He's certainly the moat vocal, but that doesn't make him the de facto leader. Hell, Maxwell was our most vocal, but certainly wasn't the leader. I tend to think Rose WILL develop into that role, and will get a midrange game, but for now he isn't there yet. Rondo, otoh, is already the leader, already has better D than Rose (you say it's good...I say it's just above average), and already has a better grasp for how to get it done in the playoffs. That counts heavily in my book. Still, I appreciate the good response and look forward to revisiting this debate in a few years, when Rondo's cast is replaced, and Rose's matures even more.
