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Derrick Rose hasn't lost a step

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by liunatic, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. wekko368

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    Actually, it does. If you give him a lot of space, that means you take away his driving lanes. His only prudent alternative is to shoot a jumper....which he's pretty inconsistent at.

    McGrady hit a few game winners in the regular season. Does that mean he's clutch in the playoffs?

    Also, it's pretty silly to say Rose can't be stopped when he was humiliated in his last playoff appearance.

    I think you're confusing Derrick Rose and Steph Curry. Without Curry, the Warriors would be competing for the worst records in the league. Without Rose, the Bulls made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs last season.

    Are you seriously trying to compare Irving's garbage supporting cast with Rose's Bulls? And in case you forgot, the Bulls made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year without Rose. Bringing up the Bulls' playoff success actually hurts your argument more than it helps it.
     
  2. Rox11

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    Why is common sense and different perspective so hard for some people to understand?
    In no way can you compare other weak teams in a conference where they are top heavy. Curry less Gs would be out of the playoffs without him. The bulls success deteriorates Rose's mvp. Being the most valuable means you're team cannot function without you. However the East was super weak last year, still they made it to the semis.
    Each individual player fits differently with different systems!!!!
     
  3. YOLO

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    are you talking about the same season?
     
  5. crossover

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    Rose is actually not clutch; he is just a volume clutch shooter like Kobe + the Bulls are a good clutch team overall.

    http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT4.HTM

    40% FG percentage, low TS%, 6.9 TO's (adjusted for per 48 min) in the clutch. The TO in the clutch is the worst of all the "clutch" performers in that list btw.

    Overrated! (and yes, the Bulls are a good team without him, which shows his team impact is less than marketed)
     
  6. Rox11

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    Rose wins MVP, crowned the most important player for his team. He gets injured and the bulls make it to the semis, does that signify most important or valuable player?
    As i said before i'll give him some pass because the East was weak last season.
    However the bulls have pretty decent talent and a good coach.
    If you base your discussion on a player being better just because he gets an award then you need to look at every single avenue of how that player accomplished it.
     
  7. SK34

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    1. Not necessarily. You see it time and time again where Rose gets to the basket again and again. And a lot of players give him the jumper. (Btw, he has a consistent Floater)

    2. GSW last year won games w/o Curry. Jarrett Jack gave them the ability to win. There team was great from the 1-5 position, even w/o Curry.

    3. I was talking about their Rookie and Sophomore Seasons for Irving and Rose, Rose led his team to victory over a solid Celtics team. And he plays much better D than Irving.

    And neither Curry and Irving remain as healthy as Rose for the time they have played.
     
  8. wekko368

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    Not in crunch time. You're erroneously assuming that the things he does throughout the game can be replicated in crunch time.

    Regardless of what you think, the last time we saw him in the playoffs, he was humiliated due to his inability to hit a jumper. He can't change that perception until next year's playoffs.

    For someone arguing about the Warriors, you seem ridiculously unfamiliar with them. Curry played 78 games last year. The Warriors went 2-2 without him, and their 2 victories came against a horrible Cavaliers team and a Dirk-less Mavericks team. If you're trying to prove a point based on these 4 games, then you're already wrong.

    And regarding their positions, last year's warriors were weak at the 3 and 5.

    You're trying to come to a conclusion based on a single game? Seriously? And once again, you're conveniently forgetting that even without Rose, the Bulls are a solid team.

    Are you seriously ignoring the season and a half that Rose just missed?
     
  9. YOLO

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    everyone can just sit back and let his game do the talking..especially to the ones who believe D. rose is this player who was supposedly humiliated.
     
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    Happy to see that he doesn't have muscle memory issues anymore. :eek:
     
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    The Bulls have a top 3 coach and a grossly underrated roster basically. In the lockout season they actually had a better winning % than the previous season with MVP Rose out for nearly half that season.

    I used to respect Rose though I considered him overrated but after seeing him quit on his team like that.... Half of his team was severely banged up with a depleted bench and they still made it to the 2nd round without him.
     
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    Derrick Rose has gotten even faster, quicker. Holy ****.
     
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    every player accomplishes MVP the same way pretty much. Be the top seed in either conference and if no one player is marquee enough then move down 1 seed in a conference and you got your man.

    Player (Seed in conference)
    Duncan (2) Duncan(1) Garnett (1) Nash(1) Nash(2) Dirk(1) Kobe(1) Lebron(1) Lebron(1) Rose(1) Lebron(2) Lebron(1)

    In my opinion, this sours what being the MVP actually means. Not saying most of these players didn't deserve it.
     
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    Westbrook should follow his lead. At least wait until mid-season.
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Just a meniscus tear for Westbrook.
    Same injury that Jeremy Lin had. Not as bad as an ACL tear.
     
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    McGrady isn't clutch in the playoffs? Probably one of the few people to have better playoff averages then regular season averages. And please don't tell me you completely forgot about the Dallas series where he hit all those clutch shots and made all the clutch plays. It's okay to hate on McGrady but be reasonable.
     
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