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Deron Williams backs new Knicks PG

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by mr. 13 in 33, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. Coban Hutton

    Coban Hutton Member

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    lol, wut
     
  2. BleedRocketsRed

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    He was a pretty ****ty one prior to NY and a ****ty one after.
     
  3. DonatasFanboy

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    reading that last post, i get an impression that you are upset at some irrational Knicks fans who are overrating Felton's stay in New York. And you are assuming that D-Will's views are based purely on overrating that stint as well.

    While Felton's NY stint is (sort of) the peak of his career, it's fools gold and he's been pretty similar in Charlotte when you account for the system.
    And D-Will of all people should know Felton's Charlotte game pretty well, having been drafted together and played each other since 2005.

    this seems to be your line of thinking, basically

    Felton is 'quite average'.
    but
    D-Will says that Felton is better than Lin
    therefore
    D-Will must think Felton is not average
    therefore
    Dwill must be overrating Felton's New York numbers just like all the irrational New York fans
    if so, then
    why isn't he doing the same with Lin based on his New York numbers? Double 'implicit standards'.

    Basically, you are implicitly thinking "Lin is not average, so D-Will is overrating Felton, just like all those annoying Knicks fans".
    Or isn't it more likely that D-Will simply doesn't think either of them are special? Or at least he doesn't think that Lin has proven to be anything special yet. This is basically what D-Will says in that interview.
    So he's picking a guy he knows as a solid, proven - though nothing special - point guard.

    It seems like you assign the line of thinking of people you are annoyed with -- some Knicks fans you must've met in forums -- to D-Will, simply because his conclusion is similar.
    More likely, he's using the word 'proven' just like any rational person would use it in regards to Felton. He's proven to be a mid tier starting point guard prior to his Portland year, similar to Mike Conley right now or Kyle Lowry. Lin hasn't yet, in D-Will's eyes.
     
  4. sidestep

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    @ DonatasFanboy, yes, that's basically the thought process. And I think you are right that I was conflating the Knicks' fans evaluation of Felton with DWill's comment. Either DWill is saying something bland or he is saying something interesting. If in the case of bland, then it's not newsworthy. That seems to be your take on it -- namely, DWill didn't actually say anything worth commenting on.

    I think you're right. That is probably what he meant now that you mention it.

    I think however that you are projecting a lot of annoyance on my part hehe. Like I said earlier, I'm not really interested in concluding who is better in the various comparisons. I'm pointing out something extremely simple, and the point is more along the lines of "Hey, isn't that weird and therefore interesting? I wonder why that is." It's that 25 starts for players such as Dragic are considered enough. I've never heard anyone say 'Yeah Dragic looks good but he's unproven because he had a breakout year that consisted of less than 30 starts.' In fact, whenever people compare Dragic and Lin, it is always assumed they KNOW Dragic's skill level despite the limited starts in a lockout season. (I too feel this way. I've only watched Dragic in his starts, and I BELIEVE I know.) Meanwhile, that same sample size for Lin is frequently dismissed as too small to mean anything -- 'unproven' is the oft repeated word. Again, the point here is not who is better but the whole terms of the discussion. If you step back and just look at that, and not get caught up in what you think my agenda is, I think the observation is actually very straightforward and obvious.
     
    #64 sidestep, Oct 29, 2012
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