You're 3-11 since the trade and Dallas is 9-3 since the trade after finally whippin up on the Fakers. Earth to Denver...
You cna do better than several #1's for Mcdyess? I doubt it. I like Antonio, but the rest of the league isn't as enamored with him as the Nugz are. Let's hope Dallas doesn't want him. Don Nelson: "Wang Zhi Zhi and a #4 for Mcdyess?" Kiki: "Deal. I'll even throw in James Posey." Your gm will soon be a laughing stock to the league. Your franchise is destined for failure. What bright spots do you have on the team? Juwon Howard? BTW, don't be shocked to see McDyess on the Rockets. He lives in Houston and we could use an athlete like him.
Well honestly, as bad as Denver is (cursed), they would be 3-11 with Raef and NVE. They just aren't winners. Never have been, never will be. Mavs will be a powerhouse for a long time. They just happen to be deeper now. Dallas still made out like bandits on that trade.
Good news for NugzFan! It looks like they're going to buy out Hardaway's contract at the end of this year, so that should give Denver a little more money than the mid-level exception to pursue FA's this off season. Denver currently has $43,009,285 in signed contracts (counting Bowens team option) for next year. By buying out Hardaway, they drop $2,780,439 off the books, which would drop their payroll down to approximately $40,228,846. If we assume that the mid-level is $5 million, then anything over $45,228,846, would be extra money to pursue FA's with. However, they would lose the mid-level exception & this doesn't take into account the unrenounced value of their 7 FA's. On second thought, it might not help them, with the exception of the wear & tear on their TV monitors. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nuggets/article/0,1299,DRMN_20_1041516,00.html Hardaway back; for how long? By Kyle Ringo, News Staff Writer March 21, 2002 Tim Hardaway returned to the Denver Nuggets lineup Wednesday after serving his two-game suspension for throwing a small television monitor on the court after his ejection from a game in Orlando, Fla., on Saturday. Hardaway could be done in Denver when the Nuggets' season is over. General manager Kiki Vandeweghe confirmed Wednesday he will explore the possibility of allowing Hardaway, 35, to become a free agent so Hardaway can try to work out a deal with a championship-caliber team. "We'll discuss it at the end of the year, and I told him we would do that," Vandeweghe said. "I never try to stop anyone from achieving their dreams." Hardaway said he believes Denver could turn its fortunes around during the next two years but that it might take too long for him to reap the rewards. He wants one more shot at a championship, something he believed was within his grasp before he was traded Feb. 21 from Dallas. "We have to talk and see what they want to do," Hardaway said. They know I don't want to be in no rebuilding stage, but I question whether they're going to be in a rebuilding stage themselves." "Tim is a great example for our young kids, and I love having him around, but I understand that he's kind of at the twilight of his career and wants to win a championship," Vandeweghe said. "He wants to give it a shot, and we're in a little bit different mode maybe for the next year."
while i agree you could do better, ala the second proposed deal with the Wizards, I don't think you could do much much better. More than likely you're going to get something in return that another team deosn't want because of either salary, attitude or talent problems. Having to play in Denver maynot help if its an attitude problem (nothing wrong with Denver, just the continual losing record and all). Your bes bet may just be to start over with young players and draft picks.
Lue, Kwame, Alexander for McDyess No thanks. Maybe when Antonio wasn't considered such an injury risk. Man, the Nuggets would be over halfway rebuilt for the future with that trade.
One year does not make someone an injury risk. He's played in 70 or more games every year, with the exception of this year & the 98/99 year, in which he only played in 50 games. Here's a link to his career stats & games played. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antonio_mcdyess/career_statistics.html YEAR TEAM G GS MPG 95-96 DEN 76 75 30.0 96-97 DEN 74 73 34.7 97-98 PHO 81 81 30.1 98-99 DEN 50 50 38.7 99-00 DEN 81 81 33.3 00-01 DEN 70 70 36.5 01-02 DEN 10 10 23.6 Career 442 440 33.3 Playoff 4 4 36.8 All-Star 1 0
I dunno man. McDyess has played the last 11 games since that trade. Even though he's not playing 35 minutes/game I think that Denver might be near .500 with Raef, NVE, and McDyess on the floor together.
I think to assign value to McDyess at this point is a bit pointless. It only serves as a forum for NugzFan to dream and Nuggets haters to get a chance to go off on him. If it does become necessary to trade him, I'd expect that two things will be of greatest importance: 1.) Will he prove to be able to consistantly put in 35+ minutes per game, without any lingering effects, and without any stints on the DL? and 2.) Considering that so much of his game is built around his speed and quickness, has that quickness returned to where it was? I will admit that I haven't seen him play in any of his 10 games this year, but it seems that if you adjust for minutes, his numbers seem pretty close to last year. I also think that McDyess is one of those players, because of his unique physical attributes (both positive and negative) that would most likely make is percieved worth to vary greatly from team to team. I would say, IMHO, that if he lost his quickness and leaping ability, McDyess wouldn't be much more than a Tom Hammonds type player.
Man, hard to believe McDyess has been in the league seven years. Sorry, after Grant Hill, I'm pretty cautious of anyone who comes back after surgery unless they've had time to prove they're A-okay. But I still wouldn't do the trade. Courtney's going to be a dangerous player for years to come and I don't think McDyess is worth giving up on Kwame. It might be a good move for the Wizards next season but not for the future. If MJ pulled the trigger on that deal, you'd know the whole reason he came back was for himself. But McDyess, Jordan, and Hamilton would do well in the eastern conference next season. By the way, I saw the Wizards absolutely annihilate the Nuggets yesterday by 32 points. What a sad state that franchise is in. They almost got booed out of the stadium by their own fans. I don't see why any good free agents would want to go there. You're right though, the best thing for them is to probably trade Antonio for a couple up&coming young players.
well congrats on a very weak post. you think we were better than 3-11 before the trade? nope. we woulda had the same. hell i want worse. is dallas better cuz they went 9-3? are you comparing the mavs to the nuggets NOW? i sure hope not! the mavs might have gone 11-1 before the trade...who knows. they arent any better (yet).
uh...dallas cant get dice. you think they ripped us off? god i am not explaing nba basics anymore. dice in houston? im not against it - got a starting potential offer?
never will be? weak. very weak. bandits? how so - they were great...still are. are you guys just trying to be annoying or did you really not understand any of the trade? im asking seriously here (or maybe its just gr8-1...it just seems like more).
well most nugget fans, including me, knew of this about 30 minutes after the trade. its nice to hear it again though i dont expect much signings this summer though. maybe one minor one.
a little better is still better. but to think we will just give him away is insane. kiki isnt stupid. give him a little credit here. i can however, see dice being traded midway through next year. defintely defintely 100% not this summer. bank on it.
haha! un huh. sure you do. please. had we not done the deal, you guys would have said the same things you were saying before that for years. you thought we did suck. and you all think we do suck. at least now we have draft picks and cap room. its very simple. like ive said before, id rather go 20-62 with our bunch of harder workers, with our own draft picks, and a ton of cap room than go 20-62 led by nick van exel with no cap room and no draft picks. the new nuggets are more fun to root for and at least give us hope.
good post. dice should be back to AT LEAST 90% of his effectiveness by next year. maybe not all star-ish, but damn good. hes already playing at like 50% on the court (healthwise..not statwise) and has shown signs of being darn good once again.
we will see. its not like you have room to talk with your franchise. no offense, but if you wanna be fair, lets be fair. you guys havent done anything, might miss the playoffs in the EAST, and when MJ leaves, then what? you guys dont have a great history or past success. but i understand you not liking that trade idea.
whoa, whoa, whoa...hold on one second (i say after checking #s) before trade: 38-17 (.691) after trade: 9-4 (.692) nve (w/ mavs): 9.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3. 8 apg in 28.4 mpg on 35.1% fg (21.4% 3fg) basically about 10 mpg less than with denver...so of course the stats will go down, but this isnt good...now honestly, are they better because of the trade or are they still just a kick ass team - like they were before the trade? (i wont show raefs stats, cuz i still like raef...class act)
