[Denver Post] Rockets Still interested in Wells...

Oh OK, I saw $4.2 M and thought Kim was referring to the TE. 2 year deal for a TOTAL of $4.2 M, not $4.2 M a year for 2 years.

 

dragon167 - Brandon was traded on July 23, 2003 in a trade involving Atlanta, Minnesota, Philadelphia and New York. The Hawks as part of a salary reduction shipped out Glen Robinson who at that time still had a year or two on a max contract and was making $10.3M.

To put an exlamation point on that, remember it was that same season of the trade for Brandon (2003-04) that the Hawks not only got rid of Robinson but also Abdur-Rahim for Rasheed Wallace's $16M which was shipped to DET after 1 game. IMHO, totally different from what the Kings are doing.

xiki - The best answer I can offer comes from Coon....

16. What is the "luxury tax?" Why does it exist? How is it determined? Who pays it?

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When determining the amount of tax a team owes, the league uses its team salary (see question number 14) on the date of their last regular season game (i.e., if a player is traded before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed), with the following adjustments:

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So IMO your example would mean that Luther Head to the Bobcats on game 41 and assuming Luther Head is not cut by game 82 means Head is part of Charlotte's LTax situation. Not that CHA is worried about the LTax.

 

Thanks. I wonder why the actual amount a team pays a player is not the determinant???

 

See, TheCabbage, this is the sort of thing which worries me. So I suppose you can let this suffice as at least a partial answer to your question:

In my humble opinion, the guy is probably worth a look-see, but we absolutely MUST also have the ability to drop the guy in an instant like the psycho-ex-girlfriend he will likely turn out to be.

Therefore, we cannot overpay for him, and we cannot leave ourselves in the position of having to either keep that kind of team-killing poison around (if that's what he shows himself to be here) or of having to continue paying him guaranteed money for the remainder of a 3- or 4-year contract while he plays for someone else, a la Matt Maloney. We just don't need to do that.

And as for 'What are we poisoning here?' uh, well, let's just operate from the default assumption that Yao and TMac will be able to remain healthy. Considering the added shooting we are mixing in this year, with how well the Rox were already playing last year for the 30 or so games TMac and Yao were healthy together, PLUS Yao's wondrous emergence as a true force last year, plus an infusion of intriguing youthful talent, this team already looks like a 55-win team, before even considering Bonzi.

THAT is what I don't want to poison.

This team is poised to be a contender for the next 5 years at least, health permitting.

Hopefully Morey's influence will be felt in this situation, and he helps ensure that we swing a deal which gives us flexibility and protection. At the very least, hopefully he will help us avoid the pitfalls which surround the guy, and if that means that we take a pass on him, then so be it. In that case, my hope is that he would end up in Denver. That way, at least one WC competitor would already have a time bomb within it ready to go off at any moment.

In a perfect world, Bonzi would sign here for 1 yr and the 2.1mil, show himself to be a matured model citizen, help us become a contender, and because of all the love and cameraderie he received from his new team and the fans here in H-Town, he signs a nice long deal at a reasonable price with us and becomes a part of the fabric of sports history for this city.

But what are the odds of any of that happening, especially given the 'turdbird' personality he has already shown the world that he has? For goodness sake, he already turned down a 36 million dollar contract! He clearly has an over-inflated sense of self-worth.

Didn't we learn the very painful lesson with EG? Do we need a self-centered violent misanthrope with a hopped-up ego and a me-first attitude on this team, no matter what he did briefly in the playoffs last year?

 

true, but unlike eddie griffin, bonzi is proven

 

well i just want him to pick a team already, i was pumped for mike james then he didnt pick us,now i am trying not to get my hopes up for bonzi...

 

xiki - Hard telling what the lawyers that drew up the document were thinking. But here's a possibility. Trying to get down to the per game basis creates another level of complexity in an already difficult accounting system. Remember, there is an LTax, an Escrow account and a continously evolving salary cap. All with a different basis. And the caps and MLE's are based on percentages of revenue which is also an accounting nightmare.

If we get to the per game basis, then we are going to have to include (and keep track of) all 10 day contracts, how many games a player appeared in before he was waived, or if a player was part of a trade and immediately waived, should some %age be included? Or, if a player is traded and can't show up for a few games because of travel, do you charge the game(s) even though the player was unavailable? IMHO, it's just easier accounting to have an end of season setpoint. But a good question!

 

so, whoever hears first what Bonzi's decision is I think should start a new thread rather than posting in this one. Who's with me on this? lol

That way the people annoyed with checking this thread for new info can relax and just wait on a new thread instead of griping here about being sick of this thread but addicted to it at the same time.

 

That's the operative word, 'easier' (sic). Thanks...x...

 

Manu was an older, more accomplished, and more seasoned player than VSpan, and even Manu only played 21MPG his rookie year in a back-up role. We should have very modest expectations for VSpan next year and all the transitions he has (basketball, lifestyle, culture, etc), 20MPG of good play in a back up role would be terrific.

I highlighted imagination there. Like we can imagine Harold Minor being a Baby Jordan. (A side note, I think Snyder's MO is he is like Posey without the determination, focus and effort, and he maybe isn't quite as athletic as Posey) If 2-3 of these guys pan out into decent NBA role players that would be great, but it is highly doubtfull any of them will rise to Bonzi Wells type production.

It isn't possible for us to overpay Bonzi Wells, unless they are in wink-wink deals (promised 2nd contract). Based on production/talent, Bonzi is a 7-8 mil player. The best we can do is around 4.2 using the TE. Which would also make him imminently tradable no matter what behavior he shows.

This is a low-risk high-payoff move only possible because Bonzi and his former agent made collosal blunders this free agent season. Hopefully we capitalize on their mistakes, only Charlotte is really in a position to overpay while Mia, Den and us are hopeing to get lucky.

 

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Girardi gets credit from playersBy BARRY JACKSON
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• The Heat inquired about point guard Jeff McInnis -- whom the Nets told not to report to camp -- but would consider it only if he's released. . . . Shaquille O'Neal, to ESPN's Stephen A. Smith about Rick Barry's offer to teach him underhanded free throws: ``Rick Barry's résumé is not good enough to even come into my office to be qualified for a job. I will shoot negative-30 percent before I shoot underhanded.''





The Heat are looking at Jeff McInnes in New Jersey. Sounds to me like they lost intrest in Bonzi.

 

Shaq's attitude about his free throw shooting costs him a couple spots on the top 10 list for centers. I'm afraid it is going to cost him a championship as well. And he has probably cost himself at least one championship because of his horrible FT shooting already. When you add up the combined effect of all his misses, not to mention having to get him off the floor in crunch time, and the fact that the defense does not have to respect his FT shooting and therefore they readily create contact with him, some of which does not even get called, creating more abuse on his body and more turnovers and low percentage shots for his team, he has probably costs his teams at least one championship. A man with his size and skill level obviously one of the top 10 players in the game today and has been one of the top 5 players for the last decade. If he could shoot free throws, he would probably have at least one more ring and maybe even more than that.

What a r****ded attitude from a great highly talented physically gifted player. Absolutely r****ded. His attitude should be he'd stand on his head to hit a couple FTs.

 

By the way, if I was Rick Barry, my response would be that I could teach anyone to shoot 70% free throws except donkey rears. Sorry, I know this thread is about another subject but that attitude just torques me with these bigshot ballers.

 

RTI
alston and JHo for antoine walker and michael doleac

 

huh?

 

Sorry if this was already said, but a rumor was that the Bobcats are trying to remove Ely and Wallace..get a couple of other players back then offer a lucrative offer to Bonzi starting around 7mil.

 

Uh, ok. Juwan + Head. Championship, here we come.

 

I just figured we could trade for two more guys for everyone to whine about.....whats up haters....who do you want?

I f we make the trade we can either use the te for point or scour free agents.

 

I can't understand anything you are saying.

 

Gentlemen, it appears the "Bonzi" effect is at work, where frustrations mount to the point that many aren't making any sense anymore....

Why isn't it pronounced like Bonzai?