[Denver Post] Rockets Still interested in Wells...

At this point, if I were CD, I'd be looking into helping some other team land Bonzi.

If the Rockets eats Potapenko's $3.67 mil salary, for example, it'll make it much easier for the Kings to take back some salary for Bonzi, and that might be enough to land Bonzi in a S&T with a decent long term deal (something like the $36 mil he was getting... or at least 25-30 mil) with some other team (Denver perhaps)...

Of course, the Rockets will need some incentive for facilitating the deal and taking Pot.

 

I know the Nuggets are desperate for a starting shooting guard, but am I the only one that thinks it´s absolutely crazy that they want Bonzi Wells considering all of the locker room problems and existing conflict in the organization they already have? It just seems like madness to me.

I´d be really interested in knowing what Nuggets4 thinks about the possibility of Bonzi.

 

tick, tock, tick, tock. make a decision, already, shandon anderson!!!

 

Can someone summarize this thread and tell me what this has to do with Shandon Anderson? Ive never came in here.

 

Shandon Anderson took a long time to make his decision to come to the Rockets, that's all.

 

Bonzi's decision is delayed, doubtlessly IMO, because he/his agent is trying to salvage a longer term/greater dollar deal in an SnT. By definition, again IMO, he will need to ink a contract this week.

 

We could do a S&T starting at 4.3 mil with 10% raises and a player option on the last 2 years (I think we can also add a 3 mil signing bonus). Bonzi could opt out after year 1 and then we sign him next year using the non-Bird for 1.20 x $4.3 mil with 8% raises for 5 years, which would be almost identical to a max MLE contract while keeping our MLE in play for other FAs.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#76
76. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent. But there is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player's rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours.

A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced, but cannot be made when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because if they want to give him a new contract using Bird rights then they have to waive him first, which resets the Bird clock.


One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 73 for more information on BYC), so the player's BYC value must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed.


If a sign-and-trade contract contains a signing bonus, then either team can pay it. By default the team that signs the player pays the signing bonus (as with any other contract), but since a sign-and-trade is in essence a contract with the receiving team, the teams can agree that the receiving team will pay it. However, any portion that is paid by the signing team counts toward the $3 million limit for cash included in a trade (which in effect limits the portion of a signing bonus that can be paid by the signing team to $3 million).


If a sign-and-trade contract contains a trade bonus, then the bonus is not earned upon the trade that accompanies the signing, but rather on the first subsequent trade.

 

read question 90

the first yr guaruntee on a s&t deal does not mean there are payer/team options for year 2 and 3

first of all, a player option or team option can only be for the LAST year of the contract (not last 2 years)

Only Early Termination Contracts can end a contract with 2 years left, and that's only if the contract is for 6 years.

Sooooo, the Rockets are still SOL in the scenario of s&T and opt out after year 1...because it is impossible, unless they change the CBA.

Guaranteed first year just means the following:

Let's say the Rockets sign Bonzi in a S&T with Sac for the 4.2 Trade Exception, then the Rockets could waive Bonzi after year 1 if he sucks. They would only have to pay 1 year, but Bonzi's 3yr cap friendly deal would still have to pass through waivers and any team can put a claim on the remainder of the contract (2 year, about 9 million).

 

That is a awesome website on NBA Salary rules... Everyone who has questions regarding a trade or so forth should reference that website.

 

Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because if they want to give him a new contract using Bird rights then they have to waive him first, which resets the Bird clock.

Ok, who's article is right?

 

Wow did you see this rule?

** A player is credited with a year of service for each season in which he is on a team's active list or inactive list for at least one day during the regular season.


One Day???

 

IMO, heypartner already answered that. An option and a guarantee are mutually exclusive events. The SnT must be for 3 years minimum. And the option years can not kick in until after year 3.

Given the possibility of injury, Wells IMO will not except the 3 year contract without a guarantee of $ in both year 2 and year 3. It would be crazy on his part not to do so. Given Wells is starter quality with a substantially below MLE $4.3m pricetag, the Rockets would be foolish not to locked him up by guaranteeing years 2 & 3.

 

Let's wrap this thing up already. The Bonzi affair has fallen into a deep silence. Nothing anywhere. No mention. Scary. He may be a "knucklehead," but I wish he were our "knucklehead," because he makes the Rockets a solid contender.

 

I'm dying. I'm simultaneously waiting for my dream job to make me an offer AND waiting for the dang Bonzi decision.

Oh, and I'm also waiting for the freaking season to start.

I'm about to go bonkers.

 

Hell, I'm just waiting for a GOOD job offer....AND the season to start

 

OK, so Desert Scar was incorrect about player options for years 2 and 3 being a possibility in his above post.

Since thats the case, it seems that the only 2 options with us are:

(Per Kim) SnT trade for a 3 year (non-option, guarenteed) deal with our $4.2M TE, waive him after year 1, and re-sign him for full MLE money next offseason

or

sign him to a 3 year (guarenteed) deal with our $2.1M remaining MLE with player options for years 2 and 3

The problems with these 2 deals are pretty obvious. In deal 1, the most likely, we can lose him to whomever picks up his contract off waivers. Do we get first dibs at re-signing players we release? How can we assure Bonzi we'll pick him up with our full MLE for year 2? In deal 2, the money isn't high enough for him to play for us for year 1, and even after year 1, after he opts out and bolts to the highest bidder, guarenteed.

Let me know if either of these are incorrent or can be expounded upon.

 

Who cares about signing him next year. If he opts, we can get mo pete for the full mid level next summer. His Three Point Percentage is WAY better than Bonzi's and he is a better fit for this team.

 

The main misunderstandings here are that guaranteed year 1 means options for after that...that is not the case, as already pointed out by HP and Gater and co. Guaranteed money and options are separate issues.

Now to your scenarios forchette:

I don't like scenario 1. First off, you're trading the 4.2 exception + stuff (picks, money, player) with a plan to waive Bonzi after year 1? I guess it could work but I don't like it and also, it wouldn't work because here's the deal. If the Rockets make the deal and waive Bonzi after year 1, it is possible that they don't have to pay years 2 and 3 on his contract because S&Ts only have to be guaranteed money for 1 year. However, Bonzi would still have to clear through the waiver process (2 days during the season and 1 week during the off season), and ANY Team not the Rockets has the opportunity to claim his contract that the Rockets wouldn't be paying. Meaning that any team (preference to the crapiest team first) can say hey, "Bonzi just got waived and he has 2 years left on his deal for $9 million and we have $4.5 million in cap space and we don't even have to negotiate, so we might as well just claim his contract and he'll have to play for us if he wants a check". So scenario 1 kinda sucks.

Scenario 2 can't work either because you can't option years 2 AND 3 on a 3 Year contract. If you want Bonzi to sign with the Rockets outright and have him not signed through next year, then basically you can only offer him $2.1 million (money left from the MLE after signing VSPAN and Lucas and Novak) for 1 year. You can offer him $4.2 million for 2 years and give him the player option for year 2 or $6.3 million for 3 years and the player option for year 3 (I'm not calculating raises). I seriously doubt he'd take the 3yr deal straight up.

So basically this is what the Rockets can offer Bonzi that he would somewhat reasonably accept, though I doubt it:

1 yr, 2.1 million

or

S&T with Sactown (giving up stuff) and getting a minimum of 3 years for about $14 million.

Now I don't think Bonzi would take either of these, but of course that depends on who else is offering elsewhere, and nobody really knows that either.

 

haha i love that idea! if we can get bonzi this year and then mo pete next year ill be so happy. =]

 

wow!! good luck to you on the job front!!!!

(and on the bonzi front, too! )