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Dems Attack as Bush's Trustworthiness Slips

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jul 21, 2003.

  1. No Worries

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    BULLSHI*. Our troups are dying, since Bush put them in harm's way. No Iraqi wakes up in the morning, thinks to himself that the opposing political party in the US is at odds with the US President, and proceeds to plot to kill American soldiers. This is just plain f*cking silly.
     
  2. johnheath

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    Let's see.....

    Bush said that British intelligence says that Iraq is attempting to procure uranium in Africa.

    The British stand by this claim, and say they have proof. The British will not give their source because all future intelligence from this source will be compromised.

    Iraq was caught trying to get uranium from Niger in 1995.

    The CIA questioned the validity of the Niger/uranium claim, but the CIA did not have access to the British intelligence.

    The only mistake made by Bush was when the Democrats attacked on this issue, he should have said "go to hell." By backtracking and saying that he erred, he created a scandal where none should exist.

    ......and now, No Worries will go to the dustbin for excessive stupidity.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    This doesn't state the facts at all. Bush sites British intel claiming they wanted to by Uranium in Africa. The CIA didn't need the British intel and did their own investigation, and found the intel to be lacking. These are the same British that used part of a college student's paper for their Dossier on Saddam and his WMD.

    The whitehouse knew that the intel was faulty but used it anyway, only attributed it to the British hoping to avoid an uproar. They passed the buck in the speech.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Most troops will not die because some people see that the Uranium thing was untrue. The troops will die because people still loyal to the BAath party are killing them with grenades, bombs and guns.

    Bush's misstatements or untruths have not been cleared up. You posted an article about it awhile back, and the aluminum tubing info supplied by the whitehouse was wrong and not been cleared up. This Uranium from Niger claim, was wrong and not been explained away.

    The most glaring to me was Bush claiming that he had a '98 report from the IAEA stating Iraq was 6 months from a nuke.

    Then when that was shown to be false, Bush's team tried two different tactics to explain it as if Bush Misspoke. The first attempt claimed that Bush was referring to another document that was also non-existent. The second attempt at coverup claimed the Bush was referring to a document that hadn't even been released at the time Bush made the initial claim.

    I'll give you a pass on the Uranium if you want to accept the MI6 intel over the CIA intel which investigated the claim, and throw out the fact that was admittedly forged evidence thrown in the mix. So if you want to hold on to what the British intel says go right ahead.

    But the other things have never been explained.
     
  5. johnheath

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    Wrong!! (again)

    The British intel is from a source unknown to you and the CIA, because they are protecting that source. Some think the source is France.

    The British stand by this source today, and still claim that Iraq was attempting to buy uranium in Africa.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    No I'm correct again. The source almost undoubtedly is the French. I never said that the British didn't have a source. I said that the CIA believes both the British and their source to be wrong. Wilson went to Niger did his own investigation and reported it to the CIA. The CIA with all of their other intel, believed the idea that IRaq was trying to buy uranium from Niger to be incorrect. The British may also be making up that they have a source. After all the bad information that's come out so far I don't know how trusting I am anymore. The British also had intel that said Saddam could deploy his Chem weapons in 45 minutes. They were wrong. The British Intel also based part of their dossier on a college student's paper and called that a source. So there is reason to be suspicious here.

    If the evidence for it was so good, why were there forged papers passed along with it? Co
     
  7. johnheath

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    Like always, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about.

    We are talking about two different source of info. The British insistance that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa has nothing to do with the forged papers passed to the Italians.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually the forged papers are part of the larger case of Iraqis trying to buy Uranium in Africa.

    Even if we throw the papers out, there is still enough including the Presidents own admission that the statement shouldn't have been in the speech, to wipe out arguments that it was legitimate.
     

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