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Dems Agree to Drop Government-Run Insurance Option

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 8, 2009.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Even if we forget about the 8 years that the GOP didn't even have health care reform on their agenda, let's look at what they've done since it's been on the agenda with this administration.

    For the most part they've done nothing. Once they finally put something out, it was more beneficial to the insurance companies than to the average citizen.

    You may not like what the Dems have done, but they are the only ones who've done something.
     
    #121 FranchiseBlade, Dec 14, 2009
  2. mc mark

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    someone has too

    it certainly isn't coming from republicans
     
    #122 mc mark, Dec 14, 2009
  3. basso

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    Tom Harkin: Public Option is gone from the senate bill.
     
    #123 basso, Dec 14, 2009
  4. Space Ghost

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    Are the democrats this stupid to realize that passing whats left of this bill will only hurt true health care reform for years to come? What is happening now is possibly the worst case scenario for health care in general. The people lose and corrupt private health care wins. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are too busy wetting their pants at the thought of taking credit for passing some type of HCR.
     
    #124 Space Ghost, Dec 14, 2009
  5. basso

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    Medicare buy-in is out as well.
     
    #125 basso, Dec 14, 2009
  6. mc mark

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    Joe Lieberman needs to be removed from the democratic caucus.
     
    #126 mc mark, Dec 14, 2009
  7. Bandwagoner

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    Are the fines and mandatory healthcare still in?

    If so then what is the point? Just nanny state people into buying what they don't want?
     
    #127 Bandwagoner, Dec 14, 2009
  8. MojoMan

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    The Democrats do seem to be a bit peeved with him, as discussed in the article below.

    But personally, I think he is doing the country a great service. For his exemplary leadership on this issue, I say:

    Well done, Senator Lieberman!

    [RQUOTER]Democrats Furious at Lieberman as They Huddle on Health Care

    The entire Democratic Senate caucus is headed to the White House on Tuesday afternoon to talk health care with President Obama, just as the administration urges Majority Leader Harry Reid to cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman, who is emerging as the skunk at the party for supporters of the massive package to create a new entitlement. Lieberman opposes a proposal that would expand Medicare for people between the age of 55-64. Lieberman has also said he would oppose a government-run insurance option and on Sunday said that Senate leaders need to scale back the bill, removing both provisions from the final product, in order to get his vote.

    Congressional staff familiar with negotiations said the White House is strongly urging Reid to work with Lieberman to eliminate the Medicare provision. Sen Tom Harkin, D-IA, has conceded that the public option, once a top priority for him in healthcare reform, and Medicare buy-in are gone from Senate legislative efforts. "It's not fair but it's reality," Harkin said, of the move precipitated by an announcement by Lieberman, that he would oppose the healthcare bill if those two items remain in it.

    Reid and other Democratic lawmakers are said to be furious that Lieberman publicly called for the elimination of the proposal before members received an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office on the cost of such a plan. Clearly inundated by calls to his office and a general backlash against his boss, a Lieberman aide told Fox News, "I want to emphasize, he would like to vote for a bill. He's not opposed to health care reform."

    ....[/RQUOTER]

    So, it looks like the "deal" is off.
     
    #128 MojoMan, Dec 14, 2009
  9. mc mark

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    Never mind the fact that he was for Medicare expansion three months ago.

    This has nothing to do with healthcare; this slimball is ****ing over progressives because of what happened in 2006.

    I am so frustrated right now with democrats.
     
    #129 mc mark, Dec 14, 2009
  10. MojoMan

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    Looks like Matthew Yglesias, a leftish blogger, agrees with you:

    Welcome to the Lieberman Administration

    [​IMG]
     
    #130 MojoMan, Dec 14, 2009
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Lieberman's opposition might very well cost him reelection if health care does end up failing because of him. From what I have heard recent polling in CT shows very large support for health care reform even with a public option.

    That is why I said before the Democrat caucus should just let him publically filibuster the health care bill and see what sort of pressure his constituents exert.
     
    #131 rocketsjudoka, Dec 14, 2009
  12. Refman

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    Until about a year and a half ago, I was self-employed. I often shopped for health benefits. As time went on, the policies such as the one that Refgal had are becoming more and more prevalent.

    Those policies are more profitable, and the oligopoly that runs the industry have all decided that this is the new direction.

    It is bad. Ineffective coverage is just as good as no coverage.
     
    #132 Refman, Dec 15, 2009
  13. Refman

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    It would be more accurate to ask whether we are going to force people to buy that which they cannot afford.

    To assume that the uninsured do not want insurance is painting with an unduly broad brush.
     
    #133 Refman, Dec 15, 2009
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    I doubt seriously that Lieberman is going to run for reelection. That's why he's felt so free to shaft the Democrats. After this term I imagine he'll just slide right into a million/year lobbying/consulting gig with some insurance company.
     
    #134 gifford1967, Dec 15, 2009
  15. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Joe Liberman needs to be removed from the US Senate.
     
    #135 Steve_Francis_rules, Dec 15, 2009
  16. A_3PO

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    It's interesting reading the recent venom against Lieberman on the web. I've detested the guy since 2000 when he was on Al Gore's ticket. It's scary to think he could have been a heartbeat away from the presidency. I love legitimately independent politicians who vote their consciences, but Lieberman barely has a conscience.
     
    #136 A_3PO, Dec 15, 2009
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    Ah... you have seen the light. LIEberman is an egotistical gadfly. A ass. An idiot. The senatorial equal to Ralph Nadir, but without Nadir's good qualities. Welcome to my club. Our motto is, "LIEberman Sucks!!"

    "LIEberman Sucks!!"


    No thanks needed. ;)
     
    #137 Deckard, Dec 15, 2009
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    #139 GladiatoRowdy, Dec 15, 2009
  20. rocket3forlife2

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    They look like they could be twins.
     
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