Demonstration of Obama's incompetence: morning of Paris attacks, Obama claimed "we have contained IS

He's probably not wrong in saying Daesh as a force has been "contained." Preventing an army from expanding is not the same as preventing a terror attack in a free society. I don't blame Bush for a bunch of nutters with boxcutters hijacking planes in Boston, either. I don't think any world leader has the power to prevent these kinds of things, nor any grand conspiracy to create them.

I'd give a pass to both mc mark and bigtexx for reacting to a major catastrophe, and yes, Obama's remarks make him look foolish, but that's a long way from "incompetent" -- they don't make him culpable.

 

Yes, there was an agreement before he was elected, which we can blame on Bush.....but Obama campaigned on abandoning Iraq so it was clear that he had no interest in trying to sway their opinion and staying in Iraq so as to not create the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to expand.

I blame Bush for the short sighted, foolish decision to sign a deal to pull troops out, and i blame Obama for not working out a deal to keep troops there. Both bad presidents are to blame.

 

Even there, he is wrong.

 

I do largely agree with you, and I think we're on the same page but on slightly abridged versions of the same book.

My theory on advancing secularism is pushing away from forces that repress it, and pushing technology/science forward. In this instance, there is no clearer example to me than the theocratic regimes kept alive by the carbon economy and little else.

Maybe we differ in our notion of how plausible it is to shift away (if not to the end goals). I've seen engineers that spend their waking lives tackling this problem, and I've seen what they're capable of doing. It's given me, perhaps, too much of a rosy-eyed view on the world but I think it's entirely possible.

I'd also advance the argument that faith and science are by no means mutually exclusionary, and that different cultures have had different epochs where they embraced the former and drove progress in the latter (the Golden Age of Islam for example). I wouldn't throw too much of the baby out with the bathwater.

 

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^Nothing like the drums of war to give American conservatives a freedom boner.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>How the US plans to welcome 10,000 Syrian refugees <a href="https://t.co/pWK7ToIFyD" title="http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&amp;soc_trk=tw" org_href="http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&amp;soc_trk=tw">news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welco…</a> via @<a href="https://twitter.com/YahooNews">YahooNews</a></p>&mdash; Joel (@CommodoreBTC) <a href="https://twitter.com/CommodoreBTC/status/665378830094323712" data-datetime="2015-11-13T22:00:49+00:00">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?</p>&mdash; Dan Holloway (@RFCdan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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And these people showed up as refugees....you realize that right? You don't blame the punch for having a turd in it, but you throw all of it out because you can't effectively separate the turd from the punch.

 

Bolded is a statement nobody knows yet. France has a lot of Muslims who are born in the country who were nevertheless radicalized. Case in point, Charlie Hebdo attackers were both born in Paris and were French citizens.

I wouldn't put the cart before the horse.

 

Again, what makes you think at this point that it is a "few bad apples" who have slipped in under the guise of "refugees" who have perpetrated this attack?

Are you not jumping to a conclusion?

 

Once again, batman jonestexx, I ask you the courtesy of letting the victims bleed out before you start having fun.

Thought you learned you lesson after Charleston.

 

You've again jumped to several conclusions.

1) I never said there was no risk. If you'd asked rather than assumed, I'd tell you that the risk of accepting refugees who are fairly well-educated outweighs leaving them to rot in a hellhole prone to radicalization.

I'm also not against security checks and a reasonable policy towards refugees, something I don't think somebody who thinks all refugees are a "talent pool for ISIS" can even consider.

2) My solution is two-fold actually. One involves intervention by other nations itching to fight (let them destroy one another). Russia wants to get involved in a quagmire? Let Putin sink all of their money into hate! Islamic State and Putin deserve one another.

The second is to spend the time watching your enemies destroy each other on the sidelines by tackling the root causes of radicalism, one of which is the huge amount of money spent propping up theocratic regimes and terrorist groups themselves thanks to the carbon economy. Gradually, by making equally distributed scientific progress and innovation the hallmark of the world, you dull any appeal radicalism can have and kill some of its most prominent roots: the poisonous regimes America "has to support" in the Middle East. Specifically: UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc. and the overriding belief that age-old faiths should triumph over modern reasoning.

 

Religion is pretty much made up bull****.. It's only great for historical record..

 

President Obama has been clueless on foreign policy and, more than anyone, is directly responsible for the rise of ISIS.

1) Withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, leaving a very ill prepared Iraqi military and a vacuum to which ISIS readily filled.

2) Support of rebel movements across the middle east. In his mind, better to have religious zealots in power than a secular dictator. Now countries like Libya and Egypt are becoming breeding grounds for ISIS and similar extremist groups.

3) Picking the wrong side in Syria. He should have been partnering with Assad in fighting ISIS, not supporting the fight against Assad and aligning with islamic rebels who are little better than ISIS themselves.

This president is absolutely clueless on foreign policy. But what do you expect when the mindless idiots vote for somebody because they look different from the old white guys we had previously, and because you think he's gonna give you a free cell phone.

American mainstream media won't show it, but if you bother to examine foreign news sources you will gain an understanding of so many innocent people that are dying horrific deaths as a direct result of our president's mismanagement. It's a shame that the world has to suffer through another year and a half before this buffoon is out of office.

 

Plenty of innocent people have died horrific deaths under many many US Presidents.

 

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