[Demographics] Muslim Population To Exceed Christian Population In 2060, European Births In 2035

Its the opposite. Critical thinking is a must ,In theory, there is no higherarchey in Islam since there's no such thing as perfect human to held those duties. every individual responsible for his/her action regardless of whatever fatwa/opinions issued .

You're confusing (recommend manners with mandatory rituals). For peeing while sitting aside from the Hygieneal benefits it reliefs the bladder and prostate
Anyhow quality matters not the quantity even when it comes to religion populations.

* atw : be ready to wear hijab by2065

 

Naw it's just that Trump fans are just assuming that independents, moderate conservatives, true libertarians, Green Party folks, etc are all liberal democrats just because they think Trump is a monster. It's the Trump loyalty and tribal disposition that is creating this us against the world mentality. They have to realize they aren't under attack and stop playing Trumps game.

If you follow me on here you'd probably bet your mortgage I was a raging liberal right?

Little do you know I would have likely voted Kasich if it was head to head with Hillary. Ive also seen so many Trump fans call John McCain a Wolve in sheeps clothing etc. The same dude who picked Sarah freaking Palin as his running mate is now Considered a liberal in the eyes of the Trump cult.

I don't think it's polorized at all right now. People are more nuanced than you think man. I just wish people from the Trump cult would just talk to people like you would a normal candid human being and not live in Trumps alternate reality. It's totally okay to say yeah i voted for him, but colluding with Russians to get elected is bad if that is found to be true instead of playing this stupid game.

Even Trump voters are more nuanced than they give themselves credit for. They just have to cut the crap and be honest with their fellow Americans.

 

Without a doubt, yes.

 

Mostly because today, you are not threatened with death for leaving Christianity. Depending on where you are, leaving Islam might leave you dead. And a shocking percentage of Muslims worldwide thinks that's entirely appropriate.

 

Christianity should start threatening to kill people who leave its religion. get their numbers up.

 

The sad truth is that the bolded part is often not actually true - but the opposite is. It's wishful thinking. Sometimes it is true, but sometimes the children are much less liberal than their parents.

 

Can someone explain the point of this thread topic to me?
If someone is worried about these demographics, what can you do about it? Have more Christian babies? Kill people of different religions? Develop a coping mechanism?

I've had this question for ATW several times, and I respect him a lot as a poster -- or more than a lot of my lefty buddies do anyway. What is the aim of alarming people about Islam? What do you want to happen, and what would help?

Also, if a conservative is worried about these demographic changes, wouldn't it push them to unite with whatever pseudo-Christian liberals they can, before the Islamo-doomsday arrives? Or are the liberals the unwitting patsies in the Islamo-onslaught?

 

Like that never happened before...

 

The first step is awareness that there is a problem. The second step is limiting immigration from predominantly Muslim countries. If you allow half of Pakistan in, you end up with what Pakistan is today. People bring their "values" and "customs" with them, including homophobia, misogyny, violence, anti-semitism, prejudice.

I give you an example. Leftist and even conservative politicians in Germany blindly embraced Turkish and Muslim immigration to Germany. Now it turns out that a high percentage of the population in Germany with Turkish roots never intended to assimilate or integrate. On the contrary, they only feel loyal to Turkey's Islamist leader Erdogan, regardless of whether they have a German passport, and they look at German women with contempt for not veiling, etc. And the "DITIB", the Turkish religious authority, basically acted as a secret service for the Islamist government in Turkey, spying on Germans and Turks alike in Germany, and promoting Islamist and anti-Western values. People are only starting to find out about this now. In DITIB-controlled Mosques, unbelievable things are being promoted to the masses.

Once you know all of that and invite more and more of that stuff in, you will end up with massive problems.

If you want to preserve liberal freedoms, such as freedom of speech, rights for the LGBT community and for women, you must stop the spread of Islam in your country. That's the cold hard truth.

 

Rare agreement with Bobby here. Yes, it has been proven time and time again that exposure to Western life is the number one weapon against Islamic fundamentalism.

Obviously one can find exceptions but for vast majority of Muslims, their secularism increases when they live fulfilling Western lives.

 

But for the Westerners, they have to deal with pushback against established secular freedoms. And why would they subject themselves to that more than they absolutely have to?

 

So, having societies where those fulfilling lives are possible would seem to be important. Which societies have been created by muslim majority nations that provide opportunity to live fulfilling lives?

 

You'll end up with even more massive problems if you shun all of them. Like I said before, there are two ways to solve the Islamic fundamentalist problem and only two ways.

1. Mass extermination( I assume you aren't for that. I get frustrated with you sometimes but I don't think you'll ever cross that line).
2. Exposure of western living .

Your method does nothing but rile up the already high horse bigots who can't apply any modicum of applying individual merit. This notion that 'libtards' think that Islam is a literal religion of peace is nothing but hyperbolic propaganda from right wing news sources. I'm sure you can find anecdotes but most liberals just yearn for applying individual merit.

Draw out your hypothical solutions with some common sense principles in human psychology and honestly reconsider your method. It won't work out. Your method will only create more division.

 

What is your point?

 

You place too much political clout to new immigrants at least in the States. Maybe it's different where you are from, but most new immigrants don't have much clout or influence.

 

I thought the thread was about the fact that the culture "Christian" that created most of the western societies that allow for this fulfilling life are heading towards a majority of a culture that does not facilitate the freedom it takes to lead fulfilling lives.

Maybe I missed something...

 

You think capitalism and the auto industry(what made America the major super power today) is due to Christianity. I think neither are conducive to secular western living. I think the West is what it is IN SPITE of Christianity.

 

ATW, thx for the thoughtful reply. Even if I don't totally agree, I better understand now.

Governments CAN determine illegal practice, like bigamy. And in extreme cases, governments have taken on "religions" like Scientology. So I can never see banning muslims, but I could see something along the lines of enforcing the social norms you've noted and making sure people are free to leave any religion if and when they choose.

 

I think going to Christian hell for eternity should take care of that.

 

ATW, you are a good poster. Even when you post things that others disagree with, you do so in a way that is thoughtful and not repetition of weird Internet memes ('libtards', 'cucks', etc.)

Anyway, my question is about history because I'm unfamiliar. I've got family in Germany and when we visited Berlin a few years ago, we stayed in a largely Turkish area. I believe it was Charlottenburg? I may be wrong. Anyway, I asked about the history of why there was such a large, entrenched Turkish community in Berlin and was told it was because of post-WWII rebuilding efforts. Turks were brought in to rebuild the city and never left. Is that accurate?

This seems similar to why there are so many Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans in France: colonial populations brought in to cheaply rebuild after WWII. Decades of hostility is now boiling over, encouraged by religious fervor and high unemployment, and there doesn't seem to be an easy answer about what to do.

What is to be done about the two distinct waves of immigration to these places (the recent and the historic)?