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Democrats said there were WMD's before Bush was even President

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  1. SunsRocketsfan

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    Okay this topic might be old and it might have been discussed before but I am sick of all the posters on here always resorting to Bush attacks as a rebuttal to any argument. I only recently started posting in this section of the forum and one thing I have come across debates and discussions is the obsessive hate some people on here have for Bush. They usually resort to talking points about how Bush is a war criminal and needs to locked up. They also claim how Bush is a liar and lied to the American people and went to war for all his oil buddies.
    Don't get me wrong here I think the War on Iraq was a mistake but I don't think Bush deserves all the blame and hate he is getting for it. He made the best decision to the best of his knowledge at the time and most people supported him. It's easy for everyone (our congress and elected leaders) to blame him now when they all supported it in the first place. In fact some of the more notable quotes on WMD's in IRAQ came from Clinton before Bush was ever president! Clinton claims Iraq had nuclear, biological, and chemical programs to develop WMDs. He also claims Saddam has used and will use WMD's.

    Not trying to turn this into a Bush was great or Bush was horrible argument. Just trying to point out to some of those posters who always resort to attacking Bush in every single Republican vs Democrat thread.


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    More Quotes from Democrat leaders about WMD's

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
    - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    WAR <> NO WAR
     
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    Cool story brah.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    Please link to articles you source.
     
  5. SunsRocketsfan

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    that was not a article I posted merely a collection of quotes that have been passed around the internet and emails. I got that a email not a article. Here is the same thing on snoopes

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    dems didn't start a war. I agree that Clinton may have used Iraq to score political points but Bush was the person who actually was stupid to get mired over there.

    that being said, I'm happy to hear the citizens showed out for elections, there maybe hope
     
  7. SamFisher

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    And that, gentlemen, is why this meme still exists:

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  8. mc mark

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    The argument was lost years ago. Your side lost SunsRocketsfan
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    Dolchstosslegende

    Erich Ludendorff would be proud. Never let reality get in the way of a good pity party.
     
  10. glynch

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    Sadam did have some chemical weapons. We gave them to him years before and remained silent when he used them on the Iranians and the Kurds back in the day.

    The thing is he destroyed them and we basically knew it before the latest war on Iraq.

    If it would change your mind I can get you some cites to show what I said was true.

    If you want to remain uninformed and a true believer in FOX/GOP etc, I won't bother.
     
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  11. rimrocker

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    I effin' hate Bush. He's a war criminal. He's a liar. He has crippled the US and our place in the world for generations.

    He sacrificed the blood of American soldiers for his own political ambitions and personal fantasies. He made horrible decisions based on what he imagined the world to be instead of looking at the facts. I hate that mofo. He deserves all the blame and what he doesn't, he should still get for letting people like Cheney and Yoo serve in his administration.

    There is a difference between thinking Iraq had weapons and going to war... that difference is usually referred to as something called "sanity." What you also conveniently forget to mention is that most of those quotes came when the Bush Administration was controlling the intelligence and steering the country to war... not to mention pimping 9/11 and calling anyone opposed to their plans as unAmerican or worse.

    Those were dark days and a fair number of our citizens lost their minds. I forgive them. I can't forgive those like yourself that remain intentionally ignorant and keep bombarding us these discredited wingnut zombie email/lists/screeds.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    1. I think most people believed Saddam had WMD's. But most people didn't favor going to war because of it. Bush, however did.

    2. Even if there were some who felt that if Saddam had WMD's we should go to war would have let the inspectors who were there finish there job. They would have discovered that Saddam didn't actually have any threatening WMD's and we could have saved billions of dollars and thousands upon thousands of lives. Bush, however, pulled the inspectors out and attacked.

    Whether Dems also believed there were WMD's doesn't lessen the mistakes Bush made one single bit. It isn't what one side or the other believed, it's what actions they would have taken or wouldn't have based on those beliefs.
     
  13. Shooter3

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    yeah and Bush and Cheney definitely lied about the evidence for WMD. If the evidence was that "Iraq might have chemical weapons", Bush and Cheney would claim "we know for sure that..." even though the evidence was often totally unclear. Most people did think they had some chemical weapons but Bush and Cheney made it out like they could nuke us at any moment which was complete horse ****. Iraq was never an imminent threat. The CIA even said that the only way that Iraq would ever attack us, if they did have WMDs, would be if we attacked them first, which shows that the right's rationale for war was complete horse****. We had to go to war or they were going to attack us, except there was a consensus in the intelligence community that Hussein would never attack unless provoked; therefore the idea that we had to go after Hussein to protect is just complete horse****. Here's a couple examples of Bush and Cheney "exaggerations" (lies) on Iraq's supposed WMDs and Iraq's connection with Al Queda. If you'll notice also, Bush and Cheney were clever in a way about there lies. They knew that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so they never really said "Iraq helped Al Queda" or "Iraq and Al Queda were responsible for 9/11", but they would often imply that without explicitly saying it. This would allow Bush and Cheney to lie afterwards and say that they never said that Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. For example, Cheney said that it was "pretty well confirmed" that Mohamed Atta went to Prague and met with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakial, several months before the attack" (and later, in the clip below Cheney lied about saying that it was "pretty well confirmed"). So Cheney could say that he never said that the Iraqi intelligence official helped plan 9/11.... But by saying that they met several months before 9/11 (which is still bull****) he is implying that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Bush did the same thing. ""Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known". Again he's implying that Saddam was to blame for 9/11 without explicitly saying it. It was calculated bull****.

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  14. mc mark

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    "The document discloses that his military planning allows for some of the WMD to be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them."

    Tony Blair, 2002
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The true stupidity was that Saddam hadn't used a chemical weapon in over ten years. I saw someone speculate that the reason saddam was never totally open with inspectors is because he had nothing and he didn't want the world to know it.
     
  16. TopsDrop

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    Damn those war criminals, allowing the Iraqi people to have an opportunity to write their own constitution and have elections to finally have their voices heard. Damn you Bush!!!

    On a side note.....why are we still over there even now when Bush is out of office?
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    because its not a freaking campsite, you can't just hop up and remove thousands of troops
     
  18. vlaurelio

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    is that the justification which was used by Bush to go to war?

    is that worth the thousands of american lives and billions of US taxpayer's money?
     
  19. mc mark

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    Not to mention almost destroying the American economy because he tried to kill my daddy!
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    We are in the process of leaving. The reason why we aren't out now, is because we are trying to leave in a responsible way, rather than a way that will cause the nation to collapse.

    The fact that some good came from the project isn't relevant to people lying to get us into war.

    If giving people fair elections was the reason, why didn't Bush invade Pakistan? Why didn't Bush invade Turkmenistan? Why didn't Bush invade Equatorial Guinea?

    To act like it's all ok because once our people got inside they did some bits of good, doesn't make the whole exercise alright.
     

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