Democratic Senate Candidate from Virginia Flaunts Underage Sex Between Father/Son

Ann "camel jockey" Coulter agrees. Although, I'll concede that if a Southern Republican candidate had the same writings as Webb discovered during October, Jon Stewart et al. would probably be all over it.

 

Why does TJ hate the troops and the Marines in particular?

 

Maybe this article can better explain TJ's reasoning for hating the troops...

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Johnny Reb Allen's Swift Boating Of Jim Webb

Bear with me as I try to figure out this Jim Webb situation. Senator Allen and the mighty GOP cabal is making a big deal about several historical novels written by Jim Webb and endorsed by Senator McCain which depict the horrors of the Vietnam War. The horrors include sexual references and acts which many veterans observed in the war. This somehow proves Jim Webb's lack of character.

Am I getting it so far?

Good. Let's continue.

Senator Allen and many of his fellow right wing parrots never served in Vietnam or in any war for that matter and one of the only Republicans who did in fact serve in Vietnam is actually on the record claiming the book is a vivid depiction of the some of the war's atrocities.

Got it. But wait...

Senator Allen, meanwhile, made a cameo appearance in the awful movie Gods and Generals (in the interest of fairness, Stephen Lang, who played Stonewall Jackson, was brilliant). Gods and Generals, apart from being a preachy love letter to the Confederacy with an editorial pace making it seem only about two minutes shorter than the actual war, contained repeated instances of the word "darkies" to describe African-Americans while glorifying the generals who engaged in what technically amounted to an organized military and political insurrection against the United States. Senator Allen is seen in the movie singing the Bonnie Blue Flag lyric, "Hurrah! Hurrah! For Southern rights, hurrah!" implying, in part, the right to own slaves. Senator Allen, when you boil it right down, portrayed a traitor against the United States. An insurgent, if you will.

Yet few would be insane enough to indict Allen for this, other than his taste in writer/directors. It was a movie about actual events and actual behavior in Virginia during the American Civil War. He was involved in a production which fictionalized actual historical events -- events which included the ugliness of American war. Even after repeated allegations of racism, no-one I can think of has actually made an argument against Allen based on his Gods and Generals appearance. If anything, the Republicans could've made a gigantic hoohah over the fact that Allen appeared in the same scene as "far-left secular progressive" Ted Turner who, by the way, financed the movie and portrayed a Confederate officer.

That said, Senator Allen has again exposed his own lack of character and, more than anything, his myriad of political weaknesses in this latest desperate smear of his opponent. Allen dressed up in a mustache and butternut uniform and performed in a theatrical account of the Civil War which dramatized, in part, some of the ugliest truths of that era. Webb actually served meritoriously in the Vietnam War and wrote about the ugly truths he witnessed in wartime and its aftermath. Allen pretended to be a soldier, which is as close as he ever came to actual military service, while Webb served bravely and honorably.

Now tell me -- because maybe I'm missing it -- do Senator Allen and his chickenhawk supporters in the wingnut media have a leg to stand on? Does Lynne Cheney, who has written salacious books and whose husband received five deferments from the draft during Vietnam ("Dick did not"), have any right to impugn Jim Webb on CNN? Do the hypocrite roll call. It's not too difficult. Check out some of Arnold's movies. Check out what the president and others did while members of Yale's Skull & Bones society.

At the end of the day, the Rove Republicans have once again highlighted how shameless they can truly be. Not only have they brazenly and without remorse attacked the patriotism of decorated veterans like Max Cleland and Senator McCain, but now they're attacking a decorated veteran who wrote about the war. They've ripped these passages out of context for the easily led masses and posted them on Drudge. Then, in the most ridiculous strategic move in this outrageous stratagem, they pooped out Lynne Cheney and dumped her in CNN's lap to perpetuate this trumped up outrage against a Vietnam War veteran.

Now Jim Webb, a well-vetted Reagan appointee, has been forced to defend his stories of the war. Likewise, Michael J. Fox has been forced to defend his Parkinson's symptoms. What kind of party is this which controls our entire government and most of our media right now? It's surely a party which hasn't deserved a single second of that kind of success. And the only reason why they've managed to attain this power is very simply because they're good at "one thing," as Karl Rove quoted from City Slickers this week. That one thing is manipulation. They manipulate you and everyone they encounter through fear, deception and ignorance of the truth. They manipulate good people into defending themselves when no defense would otherwise have been required.

I think I've grasped this now. Thanks for your patience.

A final note to anyone who's written about the atrocities of the Iraq War and who plans to one day serve in politics. Delete now -- especially if there's a chapter about Abu Ghraib containing the phrase "naked men smeared with feces forming a human pyramid." Who knows what brand of futuristic cyberwingnut will try to nail you on it.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20061028/cm_huffpost/032694&printer=1

 

It's far too early to call this thing. It'll go down to the wire, as will TN, MO, NJ and maybe even MT. But it seems clear as of now that Jorge is dead wrong again, making him what? Zero for a million plus by now?

The attacks on Webb's books (which, it has been pointed out here, are considered by the US military to be among the best on their subjects and which count among their fans GOP 08 frontrunner John McCain) have not destroyed his candidacy as Jorge promised they would. In fact, they appear to have had the opposite effect.

According to internal DSCC polling as well as a poll to be released soon from right leaning polling firm Rasmussen, Allen's negatives are up and he is now losing to Webb, with and without leaners.

And not only that, but polls conducted after the GOP's racist ads suggesting that the black Harold Ford likes white women show that he is now up over Corker for the seat in Tennessee.

Again, it's too early to say, but if the election were held today polls show reversals in TN and VA -- apparently a direct result of unprecedented GOP smear ads -- that would hand the Democrats the keys to the Senate even if the parties split MO and NJ.

Jorge, are you ever right? About anything?

 

still waiting for you to condemn scotter libby's writings about 10 year old girls being forced to have sex with caged bears...

where is the outrage?

 

The more stories that come out about the Diebold machines continuing to falsely register D votes as R ones (facts never refuted in even a soft way by Diebold or the GOP, and facts that were again reported today as happening several times in early voting in FL this week) the more I believe the 04 exit polls over the official results. Funny how R votes never accidently register as D ones... Funnier that the ONLY thing you ever have to tar me with is reporting those exit polls and saying they boded well for Democrats. Both the polls and the fact that they were a good sign for D's were facts. Pretty soggy tar you're using there.

On the other hand you have been wrong about, well, every single thing you've posted on this board and you're wrong again here. Since you apparently live in Bizarro World, I'll take "zero cred" as a compliment.

As for Webb's books I don't think there's any chance that even you are stupid enough to believe that his eyewitness accounts were fantasies. Is that really all you've got? Accusing Dems of being pedophiles because Webb reported something he saw when he was serving this country in a book that the military itself recommends to its troops? Wow, man. That's sad.

 

hook.

line.

sinker.

t_j is the fishing king.

 

as someone who goes out of their way to correct others spelling and grammar, i must say i am quite shocked at your inattention - i think you meant "commended"?

i thought they taught yall better than that at rice. should have gone to u.t.

 

Actually that seems to be a republican thing these days. Just ask Foley and Kolbe.

Oh and lets not forget the Watergate sex ring scandal.

 

Jorge what say you to the RNC accepting donations from the most successful gay pornographer in Hollywood?


Exposed: RNC Takes Donations From Gay p*rn King...

Last week, you'll remember, the RNC, headed by Ken Mehlman, was running that race-baiting 'bimbo' ad against Rep. Harold Ford (D) down in Tennessee. One of the barbs in that ad was the claim that Ford had taken political contributions from "p*rn movie producers."

But it seems there is plenty of p*rn movie producer money to go around.

It turns out that the Republican National Committee is a regular recipient of political contributions from Nicholas T. Boyias, the owner and CEO of Marina Pacific Distributors, one of the largest producers and distributors of gay p*rn in the United States. This recent article on Marina Pacific's new marketing campaign form XBiz, a p*rn industry trade sheet, notes that, in addition to producing its own material, the "company acts as a distribution house to hundreds of lines, mostly gay, 40 of which can be purchased only through MPD."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010647.php

I love the smell of desperation in a political campaign...

Smells like....a TJ thread...

 

I think this race (Allen vs. Webb) is a case study in what's wrong with politics today.

 

I agree 199%

So tell your president to stop language like this...


President Bush says Dem approach in Iraq is 'terrorists win and America loses'

Speaking at a rally held at Georgia Southern University to support Max Burn's bid for Congress, this afternoon, President Bush claimed that "the Democrat (sic) approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses."

While "the Democrat (sic) goal is to get out of Iraq," Bush told the crowd of supporters that "the Republican goal is to win in Iraq."

Bush maintained that he wasn't suggesting that "these Democrats are unpatriotic," (yeah! sure!) I just that "they're wrong."

The crowd roared "just say no," each time the president prodded it with the Democratic Party's "positions."

"For fighting the war on terror, the Democrats just follow a simple philosophy: just say no," Bush said. "When it comes to listening to the terrorists, what's the Democrats' answer? It's just say no. When it comes to detaining terrorists, what is the Democrats' answer? Just say no."


Excerpts from transcript of Bush's speech:

http://www.rawstory.com/printstory.php?story=3691

 

Yes, it is. You have a former Secretary of the Navy, who served for Ronald Reagan. Who, according to the Washington Post article when he decided to run, is a former Marine, Webb served in Vietnam and was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Hearts, and who wrote several acclaimed novels about Nam, being vilified in the most disgusting way by the Republican smear machine.

Yes, it is a great example of what is wrong.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/07/AR2006020701852.html



Keep D&D Civil.

 

I'd forgotten what a weird ass lightweight you were, Jorge. I'll answer anyway. The internets are boring tonight and I have to wind down so I can get some sleep before my rehearsal tomorrow.

I understand that you're just doing a comedy act here, but it would be funnier if you could do it without making stuff up. And most of the stuff you make up here is stuff the broad majority of the American public has not only rejected but now finds laughable. Remember back when you used to call those of us that opposed the war and disapproved of Bush's job performance the "lunatic fringe?" Boy, those were salad days. These days you are in a considerably smaller minority than we were then, and still you cling to the same old attack lines like one of those guys left behind in the jungle that never heard the war was over and they'd lost. Not that you'd ever fight in a war you claimed to support, but there's no point beating you up about that when you're kicking your own ass so soundly.

This is a made up thing. I've rarely talked about the stock market here at all. I probably said that unprecedented tax cuts for the people who need them least would be stupid, elitist and/or mean and I'm sure I said they would be responsible for irresponsible deficits left to future generations, but I never said they would hurt the stock market. That's made up like most of your junk.

We went from an unprecedented surplus to an unprecedented deficit. The only measure by which this economy is doing well is by comparison to how badly it did in previous Bush admin years. I also think it's funny how when Clinton was president and the economy was in great shape and also when Bush was president and the economy was in horrible shape, it had nothing to do with the president and how, now that the economy is rebounding, it's all Bush. If you honestly think I was wrong about any economic prediction, why don't you quote the post in which I wrongly predicted? You can't because I didn't.

This isn't a 30 second soundbite. I can actually post back and remind you I never trusted Saddam. If you have a link that indicates otherwise, post it. Not trusting Bush does not equal trusting Saddam as the vast majority of Americans can now tell you. I used to be in a minority position for believing the "war on terror" should actually focus on people that attacked us. Now, because it is so clear that we were right, that is a majority position.

This is the BS lie of an *******. The American people have rejected it, finally. They were right to do so. Democrats have supported the troops by voting to give them the equipment they need and the veterans' benefits they've earned when they are finished with their service. Republicans have opposed both. You even went so far as to disparage homeless vets as a disgusting burden on society. You have a lot of nerve to say I root against the troops. I am not against the troops -- I am against this ass of a president that has put them unnecessarily into harm's way resulting in a great many unnecessary deaths while denying them the protection they deserve and their rightful benefits. There too I stand with the vast majority of the American people.

Nothing I have ever advocated would make it more difficult to interrogate terrorists. I challenge you to post a link to the contrary. You can't, so go ahead and run away like you always do.

This isn't done yet but I'll acknowledge it might turn out to be less of a deal than I believed it was. If I and Fitzgerald were wrong, that would mean a lot of people got hassled that shouldn't have and millions of dollars were wasted. For that, if it turns out to be a "huge whiff," I will apologize. What size whiff was the one that got us into Iraq based on trumped up WMD claims that ran counter to intelligence and resulted in the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians? What size whiff was the now roundly disgraced bad military planning in which the people who insisted that we needed more troops on the ground and/or that the Iraqi army ought to be have been kept intact were fired and people who wrongly disagreed with them were promoted? What size whiff was it, illegal or not, to end the career of a CIA intelligence worker focused on WMD's in Iran (an actual threat) and compromise all her contacts when we are engaged in a "war on terror?"

You're either joking or you're an idiot. I don't know you well enough to know which it is. Either way, a change is coming. When the tide began to turn, before it turned so extremely, you announced that futures sites proved that the Democrats wouldn't take the House or the Senate. Are you still standing by that or are you running away from it like you usually do?

You started this thread by saying Webb's campaign was dead in the water on account of his books and now it turns out that the ads about them have backfired and he is up on Allen in an internal Dem poll, a Rasmussen poll and a CNN poll. You're already wrong about the effect of the GOP's smear ads. But if it turns out that your wrongness holds and Allen, an arguable frontrunner for the 08 GOP presidential nod (as were Santorum and Frist before), actually loses his seat, will you drown your sorrows in the gay p*rn that funds so many GOP races? Call Jeff Gannon to come over and pleasure you? IM a kid about his erection like Foley? Or will you let texxx do that and then cover it up like Hastert?

This is a gross freaking game you guys introduced into politics but when your guys are such incredible hypocrites don't expect us not to fight back. Meanwhile, we'll mostly focus on stuff like your and Bush's horrible failure of a war and all the brave soldiers that have died as a result of it. That's how we honor their service and our country. You can keep talking about little boys' peckers. After all, what else do you have left?

 

Four polls in the last 24 hours...

Virginia Senate Race
VA-SEN
Latest Polls

VA-SEN Rasmussen Oct 31 Webb (D) 51%, Allen (R) 46%
VA-SEN Zogby Int. Oct 31 Webb (D) 51%, Allen (R) 47%
VA-SEN CNN Oct 30 Webb (D) 50%, Allen (R) 46%
VA-SEN GHY Oct 30 Webb (D) 47%, Allen (R) 43%

Looks like little Macaca guy's smear backfired.

 

Good. With any luck, that ******* Allen will have plenty of time to vacation, perhaps with John Kerry, and they can talk about what idiots they are. They should invite Ralph Nadir. That would be a jolly crew. Too bad Bush has (god help us) two more years as President, because then they'd have a foursome for spades.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

IT soundS like Macaca boy has got some more troubles. Apparently a couple of Allen's hired thugs assaulted a constituent that was asking a question. He's wrote a letter to Allen.

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/...len_tackle_victim_demands_allen_fire_staffers

 

i think it's truly laughable that you are so outraged when democrats write books with smutty passages, but when republicans do it you dont seem to care.