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Democratic Piggy Bank Gets Dried Up

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Organized labor should evolve. Right now, it's too archaic and lumbering. It totally fits into the ponzi scheme charges that people with negative experiences or partisan opponents have of them.

    It's sad Democrats lost the populism mantle because of how out of touch their politicians are with the unions. But how out of touch is union leadership with their own people?

    They better score 4 touchdowns in a single game and bang the prom queen because that's going to be the best and happiest moment of their lives?
     
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    Unions are dead. People are getting paid crap and are being brainwashed to think the problem is free trade and immigrants - and the sheeple believe it. They economy is strong but most people are getting crumbs, and this is the peak of the economy!
     
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    I think it depends on the union. The Union I belong to saved thousands of jobs for people that were supposed to be laid off and had been laid off. They did it on multiple occasions.

    The employers said they were out of money and could not afford thousands of employees. The union said that wasn't true, went through the financial records and found money that the employers didn't know about. That happened a couple of times. Then recently the employers were again threatening layoffs because of lack of money. The union again went through the financials and found money that was owed to the employers that they hadn't been collecting which would more than cover the cost of the employees in danger of being laid off.

    So this union not only saved jobs but helped eliminate waste and the money that was found didn't cost taxpayers anything extra.
     
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  4. pgabriel

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    there sre a lot of economic reasons wages are stagnant.

    Mainly the tech labor jobs are in China. Our last real boom in terms of wages was tech sector of the nineties. Now those jobs are in China.

    We used to make desktops in the ninties. Now they mske cell phones amd flat screen tvs. Seriously all that stuff comes from there.

    That being said even furniture comes from there

    Thats a reason for growing income disparity. Those tech jons here in the nineties on a midlle level are gone.
     
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    They aren't going to China, they are going to automation. America has more wealth per capita than at any point in her history by multiples. It's just that all the money is in the hands of the rich.

    This country is about to collapse.
     
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    #46 pgabriel, Jul 1, 2018
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    Im saying they are building new technology and we aren't. Thats where money is, building new stuff

    We dominated in building new stuff post WWII. The tech 90s was really the last time.

    Hence our middle class shrinks and theirs grows. It is a zero sum, only so many cell phones and flat screens.

    On top of that ive been working at Star Furniture's warehouse off and on through a temp service since Harvey. All that stuff comes from China and Vietnam. I didn't know that but those are skilled labor jobs
     
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    Well, luckily we have a president that supports new technology. He isn't doing something stupid like trying to r****d new technology growth and keep coal power alive.
     
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    Clean energy isn't going to save us economically. There are a lot of pratical issues to be worked out mainly electricity storage.

    In energy the money is in natural gas and that isn't that bad.

    Yes coal is stupid. Tump is just old and doesn't understand these issues admittedly. Im not picking on older people but yes talking about coal is ridiculous. One thing about Trump on stuff like coal a lot of that is catering to his base
     
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    Clean energy could be huge economically. It is already a growth industry. If we really pushed toward conversion of clean energy and actually lead by example it would only boost the economic boom available from clean energy.

    But nobody knows the future for sure.
     
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    Its not pratical on a large scale level till you can store electricity.

    Its just a small part of a grid. Putin is relevant in Europe because he supplies their natural gas. Electricity for our growing number of devices comes mainly from natural gas

    The wind is not always blowing and the sun goes down
     
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    Democrats can't have it both ways. Unions don't like immigration

    The Ohio Michigan union guys voted for Trump because of immigration

    GMC will just move the plant to Mexico if union is stubborn
     
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    Which is why we need to invest in technology to continue and improve it. That's the thing about making new technology. It does something better and/or more efficiently than the way it is now.

    You talked about making technological advances to help the economy but now you are bemoaning the fact that the technology isn't 100% capable of doing something that will lead to a clear path toward innovation, leadership and economic boom.
     
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    Bro when the technology is here it will be here. The problem isn't people investing.
     
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    Yes, technology just magically appears.

    That would be true except for the investment in developing automobiles, flight, space flight, the internet, telephones, cell phones, computers, televisions, radios, cameras, and almost every piece of technology ever. Except for that, technology just arrives whenever it arrives and investment is never needed.
     
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    The problem is the government investing in industry. The NSF already funds billions in grants along with industry into real research for emerging technology. Funding crap companies like solyndra is what the democrats like to do as it is simply a payoff for their donors.
     
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    What are you arguing about. Yes it doesn't happen overnight. People are working on it

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...y-revolution-of-2018-electricity-storage/amp/
     
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    Yes it absolutely could /could have.

    You think the Paris accord is just about science and not at all about business? Why do you think countries like Russia still want to be included?

    The accord includes being paneled on decisions to be made on bids to provide developing countries with the most efficient power grids available. The US backing out of the accord was by far the dumbest thing Trump has done from a business perspective and shows how ignorant economically his followers are.

    US based energy companies could have won bids for 50 to 75% of the countries needing energy infrastructure overhauls over the next 10 year and made this country the global leader for energy production.

    Now... we get to just deal in fossil fuel bids in a market that is demanding higher efficiency. There’s a reason why Scott Pruitt still has a job and that’s because it’s imperitive the fossil fuel companies have their insider in house to ensure the US will still stand by them when the rest of the world continues to make the shift in part because of The Paris accord panel which will work against fossil fuel interests.

    What an absolute waste of a chance to globally dominate in something else other than war manufacturing.
     
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