Democratic National Convention Thread (August 25-28, 2008)

An argument can be made that conservatism's desire to weaken the ability and effectiveness of the federal government cost the Gulf Coast greatly. FEMA's weakness was built up over time, it didn't just happen one day. That flaw in conservatism is only visible when government is needed for the fundamental reason of its existence: to protect its citizens. When government is not needed, it's easy to say that it wastes and does us no good. But when government has a role to fulfill but can't because it's wilted down so much, we see the flaw.

On drilling, Obama's said that he will be open to compromise in the so-called "Gang of Ten" bill in the Senate; allow drilling, but tax the oil companies and invest the money in Detroit to develop new fuels. "Compromise" is a key political idea that has been replaced by the smear tacticians as "flip-flopping," and that is a shame.

 

Just listened to Obama's speech. Awesome.

 

In truth, the levees sucked under Dems and Republicans. For decades on end. I don't put that solely at the feet of Republicans or even the Bush administration. The Clinton administration...Bush I administration...Reagan...Carter...Ford...go back as far as you want....they all knew that what happened to NOLA COULD happen to NOLA. Hell, we all knew it. I remember reading pieces in the Picayune and the Hou Chronicle talking about this doomsday scenario and the loss of a major US city years before this happened.

I put cronyism at this administration's feet, though. Brown had no business being in the position of FEMA director. And the feet-dragging whle arguing over concepts of federalism was just nuts. And it cost people their lives.

 

I accept that you believe this, but could you provide some evidence. I don't consider social security and medicare to count as they are already been paid into and are non-discretionary..

 

Definitely cannot argue with that.

 

I am not going to vote for John McCain, Bob Barr, or Nadar.

The first time Bush spoke at that convention he talked about a compassionate conservatism that sounded alot like Obama, that was long before 9-11, Iraq and the rest... I just thought he sounded sincerely like a person who would inspire the nation towards compassion and constitutional goverance... Obama sounds the same to me, inspiring.

 

Barack is good at delivering canned speeches. Look at the decisions he has made with who he has associated with in life - I'm talking about the Rezko's, the Jeremiah Wright's, the Ayears of the world. Those are horrendous decisions. Take a look at his lack of experience - and his lack of accomplishments. Take a look at how divided the democratic party is right now. All of these things make me believe that he is not ready. I feel sorry for people who want a professional canned speech-giver to be the President. They need to dig deeper.

 

Dude you just got Palowned!

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080829/pl_bloomberg/azxgmstuh45w

Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama's speech last night left Janell Mader, a 32-year-old lifelong Republican, ``a little overwhelmed'' -- and likely to vote for him in November.
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"All of the concerns or questions that I had have been answered,'' Mader, a homemaker from York, Pennsylvania, said of Illinois Senator Obama, 47, the Democratic presidential candidate. ``John McCain's going to have to do something pretty incredible next week for me to be convinced that the Republican Party deserves another four years.''

Mader was one of a dozen undecided voters from across the U.S. who discussed their impressions both before and immediately after Obama accepted his party's nomination at Invesco Field in Denver on the closing night of the Democratic National Convention.

Some of these persuadable voters had been leaning toward Obama and others were leaning toward the Republican candidate, Arizona Senator McCain, 72. Many said they were impressed by the address. While some of the voters said the first part of Obama's speech was short on specifics, he ultimately allayed their concerns, and most had a positive view of the convention.

At 77, Elizabeth Roszel has never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, though she is considering backing Obama this year.

`Very Good Case'

The Democrat ``has a very good case and I'm feeling very positive about him,'' said Roszel, who lives in Philpot, Kentucky. ``Now, I have to hear the Republicans,'' who are scheduled to gather next week in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Going into the convention, Obama's task was to convince these undecided voters that he could match his campaign's message of change with substantive proposals for addressing the economy, health care and the war in Iraq.

He made his case, said Kathryn Martin, a 64-year-old registered nurse from Miami Lakes, Florida, who voted for Senator Hillary Clinton, 60, in the Democratic primary.

``I'm sold,'' Martin said. ``I think we're ready for him.''

Others weren't as enthusiastic.

Charles Davilla, a retired aircraft engineer and Democrat from Downey, California, said that while Obama said some of ``the things I wanted to hear,'' he ``didn't say how he was going to accomplish them.''

U.S. Dollar

``What I wanted to hear, for example, was how he was going to strengthen the U.S. dollar,'' Davilla said.

Scott Walker, a 42-year-old Republican heating and air- conditioning contractor from Sharpsburg, Georgia, said he is unhappy with his party, though wary of Obama.

Before the speech, he said he was ``nervous'' that Obama would raise taxes and was unfamiliar with many of his positions.

Afterwards, Walker said he remains undecided.

``It was an excellent speech,'' he said. ``But I really wanted him to nail down what he's going to do about the issues he's running on.''

Berna Burmley, a 56-year-old Democrat from Rush Springs, Oklahoma, said that while she was unable to watch the speech last night, what she saw of the first three days of the convention made her more likely to vote for Obama.

Tax Cuts

``It's leaning me more towards Obama,'' said Burmley, a retired clothing-store owner, citing his proposals for tax cuts for lower-income people, alternative energy and withdrawing from Iraq.

Many Democrats responded to the convention in the same way as Rodney Mattingly, a 56-year-old health-department worker from Lebanon, Kentucky, who is a self-proclaimed diehard Clinton supporter.

Prior to the speeches by the New York senator Aug. 26, and by her husband, former President Bill Clinton, the following night, Mattingly said his support for Obama would be determined by ``how the respect is given to Clinton'' at the convention.

After the speeches, in which both Clintons threw their support behind the nominee, Mattingly decided to vote for Obama.

``It's a combination of what Hillary said and what Bill said, and I think Obama's team has given them a lot of respect during this convention so, yes, I'm going to be in that camp now,'' Mattingly said.

Michelle Obama

The reaction to the speech by Obama's wife, Michelle, on the opening night of the convention was mixed. Michelle Obama, 44, has been portrayed by Republican critics as an unpatriotic radical.

``Michelle Obama came off better than her reputation,'' said independent voter Charlie Hurwitch, a 38-year-old software salesman from Needham, Massachusetts.

Rebecca Darrington, a 48-year-old stay-at-home mom and undecided Republican, said she had a negative impression.

``The thing that concerns me the most of what I heard is from Michelle Obama,'' Darrington said. ``She said she wants to change American traditions.''

In her speech, Michelle Obama spoke about the Chicago steelworkers her husband worked with after law school.

Americans, she said, ``too often settle for the world as it is, even when it doesn't reflect our values and aspirations.''

Chester Hugo, a 38-year-old city worker from Ketchikan, Alaska, voted for Republican Mitt Romney in the primaries. Now he said he is torn between Obama and McCain and isn't happy with either.

`Lesser of Evils'

``It's the lesser of evils,'' he said before Obama's speech.

Republican Bennett Keller, a 48-year-old engineer from San Diego County, California, said he hadn't made up his mind, either.

``If McCain wins it won't be that good and if Obama wins it won't be that bad,'' he said.

Reviews of Obama's running mate, Delaware Senator Joe Biden, 65, were positive, for the most part.

``He's very mature and level-headed and he has been through a lot of knotholes in his life,'' Davilla said of Biden's Aug. 27 speech in which he referred to the 1972 car accident in which his wife and daughter were killed and his two sons badly injured.

 

Even Bill ****ing Kristol loved the speech. Denial is a huge river flowing through the D&D today.

 

If your criteria for a good speech is hurling insults and trying to belittle the other candidate, then he succeeded. Maybe that's all he had to talk about, given his own lack of experience

 

But that sort of stuff makes for good campaigning, right?

 

Well admittedly, president of the Harvard Law Review, serving as a party organizer, a State senator and US senator, isn't the useful experience of running a baseball team, losing daddy's friends money or using your name to get elected to the do nothing position of Texas Governor. But at least he can make a coherent sentence, so thats a big improvement right there.

 

Too bad he wasn't mayor of a town with a population of 5,000. Mayor of Sealy '12!!!

 

Ummm, McCain vs. Obama, brah. No contest on experience.

 

38+ million people saw the speech yesterday, not including PBS (est. 3 million viewers):

http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/conventions-38-million-view-obamas-speech/

Should be interesting to see the polls tomorrow that incorporate any bump for him, along with any Sarah Palin bump.

 

29 specific polices in the speech

 

You know what's ironic? Perry, who I detest, has made more use of what political power exists for a Texas governor (bully pulpit and agency/commission appointments, and that's about it... oh, he's made great use of political corruption, but I digress) then George W. Bush ever did. Bush, in his own way, was a far better governor simply by being bipartisan. That's what made his "ascent" to the Presidency so appalling. He got to the Oval Office and turned into the poster child of the Peter Principal. George rose to his level of incompetence.

 

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