Democracy Now! Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanic

I think as far as the Conspiracy goes.
it doesn't need a cover

Basically . . They could have Known about it. . and just let it happen

nothing complicated about that

Rocket River

 

A REQUIEM FOR TRUTH: THE FINAL TRAGEDY OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

(Opinion)

By Carolyn Baker, Ph.D.

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the author of the popular mechanics article was benjamin chertoff - cousin of michael. no conflict of interest there...nope.

lets look at some "conspiracy facts"

building 7 collapsed even though it wasnt hit by a plane, making it the first steel skyscraper in the history of skyscrapers to collapse due to fire. compare this to the windsor building in madrid, which in 2005 was completely engulfed in flames, burned for 24 hours yet did not fall.

WTC construction manager says the buildings were designed to withstand mulitple hits from planes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRoONuSQgGE&eurl=

marvin bush's company was in charge of security for the WTC and his contract just happened to run out on 9/11/1. but thats just a coincidince, im sure.

all the debris from the WTC was hauled away and sent to china, despite investigators pleading for them to not remove the evidence from the biggest crime scene in history.

the bush's and the bin laden's are buisness partners in the carlyle group and by amazing coincidence, george bush sr. was having breakfast with osama's brother on the morning of 9/11 at the ritz-carlton in washington.

norad stood down on 9/11 - cia and pentagon just happened to be running drills with hijacked planes being flowing into the WTC and the pentagon. thats right, on 9/11 they just happened to be war gaming EXACTLY what happened. and bush told us that no one could have anticipated that anyone would fly planes into buildings. the fact that there were all these war games going on bears out in the confusion heard amongst the traffic controllers in the tapes released a couple months ago - "is this real world or exercise?"

several of the hijackers lived with an fbi informant in san diego.

several of the hijackers were trained at military installations, including mohammad atta, who trained at the naval air station in pensacola, fl.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030927...1=1&cpm=1&cpe=1&URL=msnbc.com/news/629529.asp

 

video clips of firefighters talking about bombs in the WTC.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801&q=9/11+firefighter
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9/11+firefighter

 

to those who would say to question the official story is disrespectful to the vicitms and their families i would point you in the direction of bill doyle, head of the largest victims families group (http://www.coalitionof911families.org/), who says 9/11 was an inside job.

"If you want to believe what they want to snow you under on like the 9/11 Commission - that's a total fallacy," said Doyle.

"The continuing cover-up is beyond belief,"

"It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down."

"We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle.

Doyle estimated that around half of the family members his organization represents think that there was government complicity in the attacks.

"It looks like there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 if you really look at all the facts - a lot of families now feel the same way."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/080706governmentcomplicit.htm

 

From what I've read, they may be distantly related but, in Benjamin's words (paraphrased), "No member of my family has ever met a member of his family."

 

to those who say the government would never think about harming its own citizens i would ask you to do some research on operation northwoods, where in 1960 the joint chiefs of staff approved a plan to carry out terrorist attacks against u.s. citizens in order to provoke a war with cuba. the plan made it all the way up to kennedy, who shot it down and promptly fired the guy who came up with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

 

from what i heard they are 1st cousins who are pretty familiar with each other. even if not, it sure is another in a long line of amazing coincidences.

 

do you think is is somewhat related to jfk's eventual assasination?

 

Conspiracy theorists have an answer to that, too. They assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. He's not, though he may be distantly related. "No one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff," he says.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060903/11conspiracy_2.htm

 

from what i heard = from what i heard

you want to dispute any of the FACTS i layed out?

 

You mean Jack Kennedy did something right??
Golly. Be sure to tell Sisihir.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

what a silly statement, but typical of head-in-the-sand bush supporters.

when in doubt always play the anti-semite card.

 

i have always been critical of kennedy and i still contend that he should have taken a stronger stand regarding civil rights, but my research over the last few months has changed my perception of him. i do think he was trying to bring real change to this country, and for the better.

its odd how people who are really trying to do some good and bring about real change get knocked off - jfk, mlk, rfk, ghandi.

 

Unless there is more to the Northwoods report than is included on the gwu web site, there is no mention of killing any innocent people anywhere in it.

There is also no mention of anyone being "promptly" fired in the ABC news article.

 

not to put words in jo mama's mouth - increased power had nothing to do with it.

it is so complex it would make your head spin.

that is why it is so hard to uncover, it is extremely complex, but that is also why there is an over load of loose ends and unanswered honest questions.

We are building 12 military bases in Iraq, the most important are in close striking distance to the largest known oil reserves in the world in Western Saudi Arabia, this is very strategic to our national secuurity- Iraq had to be invaded to establish our military in the region. But the attack needed to be provoked or we would have been forced to just do it.

There are many more strategic issues that have been acheived by our government in the Caspian basin, and Alfganistan.

We had to invade Iraq. The CIA knew about Al Queda's plans and they provided us the catalyst to do something that is very unpopular.

This whole thing is extremely complicated. Oil is the primary motive. The battle for Middle East oil will be fought between these coalitions-

The US and Great Britain- we are connected in all things foreign and economic
China
Asia/Pacific
Europe
Russia

We took advantage to give us a huge advantage against our energy competitors.

So, we are still #1.

Would politicians in high positions allow the (even be complicit) murder of American citizens? Don't even think about it, it will make you sick to your stomach.

My suggestion is watch CNN and FOX depending on your political slant and believe whatever they feed you.

It will keep you mentally healthy.

 

rhester, keep fightin' the good fight. a pastor with an obsession for conspiracy theories, awesome. you're a TV mini-series just waiting to happen.

 

I've known people in the armed forces and CIA. They have all said they did unspeakable things while serving our country. It drove my uncle mad, what he did in Vietnam after the U.S. supposedly pulled out. He drank himself to death because he couldn't live with the fact he ordered the slaughtering of women and children. My neighbor has three purple hearts and the bullet and shrapnel wounds to prove he earned them. He did a lot of killing for our country in Central America, no official war there either.

I don't have all the answers, but the answers being fed to us by our government are a bunch of lies. This tactic isn't new, Bush and his cronies didn't invent lying, they have just taken the art to new heights. Bush and his bunch should be put on trial as war criminals. In my book they are no better then Saddam.

As far as leaving the country, I now live less then 50 miles from the border with Mexico. If things get bad enough, I am leaving. I'll be damned if I'll ever fight Bush's war on terror which is nothing more then a piece of the geo-political power grab the U.S. has undertaken.