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Dem leaders warn liberal rhetoric could blow Georgia races

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  1. Reeko

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    Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her top lieutenants had a stark warning for Democrats on Thursday: Swing too far left and they’re all but certain to blow their chances in the Georgia runoff that will determine which party controls the Senate.

    Congressional Democrats are collectively pinning their hopes on a pair of Senate races in January in one of the most competitive states in the nation — an outcome that could determine whether Democrats hold all levers of power in Washington next year, despite a disappointing night on Tuesday. While Joe Biden is looking likely to win the presidency, Democrats were shut out of key Senate races, dashing their hopes of reclaiming control of the chamber, and lost ground in the House despite being expected to significantly expand their majority.

    When the next Congress convenes in January, Republicans look favored to carry a narrow majority into the Georgia runoff, with undeclared races in Alaska and North Carolina leaning in their favor. But if Democrats were able to win both Georgia Senate seats — a long shot, to say the least — they would secure control of the chamber with a Biden White House as the tie-breaker.

    If “we are going to run on Medicare for All, defund the police, socialized medicine, we're not going to win," House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) warned on the caucus call, according to three people listening.

    The Democrats' warning comes as lawmakers try to assign blame over their election night losses, with progressives' ambitions beginning to emerge as a top target that could hinder left-leaning policies from advancing in the House.

    Pelosi also had her own message to House Democrats, telling them to focus on an "agenda of lowering health care, better paychecks, building infrastructure.” While she didn’t explicitly say it, those ideas are more likely to be appealing to moderate Georgia voters who will decide the fate of the Senate in January.

    The next two months leading up to the Jan. 5 runoff will be “fraught with meaning” Pelosi added.

    “This has been a life or death fight for the very fate of our democracy. We did not win every battle, but we did win the war,” Pelosi said on the call. “We held the House. Joe Biden is on a clear path to be the next president of the United States.”

    In the hotly contested Georgia races, GOP Sen. David Perdue is expected to face off against Democratic challenger Jon Ossoff and GOP Sen. Kelly Loeffler will take on Democratic candidate Raphael Warnock.

    Democrats and Republicans in Congress will likely spend those two months battling over a massive coronavirus stimulus package — which has already divided both parties for months — as well as the presidential transition and a potentially seismic Supreme Court decision on the fate of Obamacare.

    The comments from Pelosi and Clyburn echo many private conversations that have taken place among members and top aides in the past 48 hours, with moderate Democrats and even some left-leaning members arguing that GOP attacks on “socialism” and “law and order” cost their party support in Trump country.

    The call grew emotional at times as some members who lost their races spoke up, including Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell of Florida, who started crying while urging Democrats to remain unified and not “tweet” attacks at one another. Others were clearly not appeased by Pelosi touting the wins for Democrats on Tuesday night — including Biden’s potential victory — saying that didn’t make up for the disappointment of missing a shot at taking over the Senate and losing at least half a dozen Democratic centrists in the House.

    Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia, a Blue Dog whose race remains uncalled though she declared victory this week, grew angry as she warned her party against some of the rhetoric she argued hurt moderate Democrats like herself, saying the election results were a “failure.”

    “No one should say ‘defund the police’ ever again,” Spanberger said on the call, according to two sources. “Nobody should be talking about socialism."

    Spanberger also warned that if Democrats kept up their tactics in 2022: "We will get f------ torn apart."

    Spanberger was one of several battleground Democrats who faced a barrage of GOP attack ads accusing her of attempting to “defund the police” after she voted for a policing reform bill this summer amid a national reckoning over police brutality and systemic racism.

    Pelosi pushed back on Spanberger’s comments, saying Tuesday night wasn’t a failure for Democrats because they kept the House and are likely to oust Donald Trump from the White House.

    The California Democrat also instructed members to raise any complaints directly with her.

    "I hope any of you who have something to report or feedback will come to me," Pelosi said, before giving out her personal cellphone number.

    House Democrats lost seven seats in battleground districts, including in South Carolina, New Mexico and Iowa. Democrats also lost two seats in South Florida, including one that was hardly on their radar, which some Democrats blame on the potency of “socialism” attacks in a Cuban American stronghold.

    Rep. Donna Shalala of Florida, who unexpectedly lost her race in Miami, said on the call that she did not blame top Democrats or the campaign arm: “Leadership has been excellent and I have no complaints.”

    But Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, jumped on the call to defend liberal ideas, saying that’s what keeps the Democratic base motivated to turn out and vote.

    “If we don't keep these folks engaged … we will lose again in 2024, and we may lose again in the next midterm,” Jayapal told Democrats on the call, according to two people who dialed in.

    Jayapal conceded that Democrats need to have “conversations about language” as several members on the call complained about charged terms like “defund the police” repeatedly weaponized against them during the campaign. But, Jayapal said, blaming fellow Democrats isn’t the answer, either.

    “I ask my colleagues to quickly jump to not quickly blaming certain people, who incidentally play a part in energizing young people,” she said.

    Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan also spoke up, saying fellow Democrats shouldn’t “blame myself and others” for pushing issues that matter to their districts.

    Thursday’s more than hourlong call also marked the first time Democrats heard from their campaigns chief, Rep. Cheri Bustos, since House Democrats dropped a net five seats in a cycle in which they expected to flip as many as a dozen.

    “I’m furious. Something went wrong here across the entire political world,” Bustos told her colleagues, pointing to polls, turnout models and “prognosticators," according to several sources on the call.

    “The voters who turned out look a lot more like 2016 than to what was projected,” Bustos said, adding: “We will do a post mortem."

    The Illinois Democrat has come under intense heat from her colleagues after Tuesday night’s results, which left members and their top candidates once again feeling blindsided by the GOP’s strong showing.

    It’s still unclear whether Bustos will make a bid to run the caucus’ campaign arm for the next cycle, which several Democrats said she hadn’t necessarily wanted to do even before Tuesday’s election. The name of at least one Democrat, Rep. Tony Cárdenas of California, has so far been floated to run for the post.

    Bustos spent much of her time on the caucus call defending the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s decision to try to expand the battlefield, even in a year when they were defending dozens of Trump district seats. She said Democrats had forced GOP campaigns to spend tens of millions of dollars “playing defense,” arguing that the cash diversion helped protect Democratic incumbents by ensuring the money couldn't be spent against them.

    Bustos — whose own race was so close that it was not called until Thursday morning — also said her campaign team never gave a specific number of seats it expected to pick up.

    “We never called our shot,” Bustos said, adding that Democrats believe they will pick up at least one more seat, with Carolyn Bourdeaux expected to succeed Rep. Rob Woodall in Georgia’s 7th District. Democrats also picked up two seats in North Carolina, which went their way after the most recent round of redistricting.

    "We built a massive battlefield that could put the candidates you help us recruit in position to ride a wave. At the same time, it could shelter our most vulnerable members during a storm," Bustos said, according to sources on the call.
     
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    Defund the police has to go. It's by far the stupidest idea to ever come out of the democratic party.

    They need to run on a platform of how they will do things that will improve the lives of Georgians in a meaningful way.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    Replace Pelosi
    with
    Stacy Abrams

    Rocket River
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    Pelosi is a fundraiser expert, not a leader.
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Already being discussed but like I said Democrats are the only party that wins and then gets into a fight about policy because they are the only party that cares about policy, and because we're fighting a broken down system that allows minority control despite being vastly more popular, per capita.

    It's the system.

    And honestly, Spanberger won a close one last time with lower R turnout. She won a slightly closer one this time with record R turnout. I think she won by 6000 or 7000 last time and 5000 this time. That's life in a district that used to be ultraconservative.

    She should move up North if she wants an easier race. But it's the business she chose. (disclosure I gave her a ton of $$ in my terms in 18). otherwise she's doing her job and doing it well, even though she makes some bad votes imo No need to tear into her teamnates
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    We needed an infrastructure plan since Bush. Obama half assed one with "stimulus".

    Keep it simple. Look at Trump, if there's pork, no one will care when you u highlight bacon for the poor.
     
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    She recognizes that if you want to accomplish things, you have to have power. Any chance for any piece of the Bernie agenda to pass is DOA if they don't win those two seats.

    The votes that Perdue got vs Trump shows that GA is still a lean-conservative state. Dems were lucky to win it at the Presidential level thanks to Trump hatred, but that didn't translate to GOP-hatred.
     
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    Pelosi did her job for the last 2 years, not perfectly but it's better than most gave her credit for. It was not easy!

    I am grateful to her for that. And for her previous speakership/leadership. Obamacare could be called Pelosicare.

    But, it's time for her to pass the baton.

    She's had 18 years at being the D house leader. She's 80 years old.

    That's enough turns Nancy.
     
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    This is unlinked and unsourced. We're in a global pandemic and once-in-a-century recession, this is as close to '33 as we're going to get and the white middle managers with six-figure government salaries, housing allowances and full pensions who claim to advocate for every other demographic who would never be allowed in their office buildings or gated subdivisions need to tap into the "bold experimentation" that got us Social Security, TVA and the FDIC. The kind of white moderates bellyaching and leaking this crap would have been throwing bananas at bused in black kids in Leominster, firebombing black homebuyers in Levittown or arresting social workers in Connecticut for providing birth control. Conservatives pols don't suffer this kind of cognitive dissonance because they identify more demographically with the conformist, provincial bigots they represent, liberal officials need to recognize when the vice principal tallies all the student council votes that it's time to ditch the focus groups and get to work getting marginalized communities and labor segments a seat at the table.
     
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    Nancy Pelosi needs to go... the political landscape and the Democratic Party has changed and is about to change even more.

    Democratic voters and even Republican voters made it clear, they want simple things that will help them financially and make their lives easier. That can be tax breaks for the working class, passing of medical care reform, etc. that and have their voices heard... they want that over massive environmental reforms (unless done to increase economic opportunities).
     
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    We like the black people and poor “simple” whites... but keep them over there and we will stay over here. Let’s pass a massive environmental/global warming initiative because that’s what blacks, Latinos and blue collar whites are concerned about, not their mortgages or continued degrading standard of living.
     
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    She did know how to handle trump and get under his skin. Like others, I would prefer someone moderate to take her place as House leader.
     
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    It's an interesting dilemma. I guess the more inclusive a party is the harder it is to all get on the same page. I think it's possible to do both but which part to publicize now and put out as the face of the Democratic party is where the question is.

    I think there are progressive issues that appeal to all of their voters.

    They can push for larger minimum wage and publicize that. They should make a smart bill though that factors in Cost of Living for each state. Giving just one number like $15 is the wrong way to go about it. In some places like Hawaii, CA, NY etc. That isn't enough. While in places states like Montana, Iowa, etc. it's too much. But that is an issue where most people will agree to support.

    Police reform. It needs to happen and will show those in the cities that their voices are being heard. It may also help to calm unrest in the cities where Trumpsters are able to use the unrest as a scare tactic. It doesn't need to be labeled as defunding though it will be doing the things most mean when they use the term. They don't mean a complete absence of law enforcement.

    Economy is always important. Put forward the popular Infrastructure program which will create jobs, and improve standard of living for everyone. Also put out a Broadband for all bill similar to FDR's rural electrification. If there are private companies that work on this as a partnership that would help get support across the aisle. It would be a fantastic equalizer in our society. Businesses that use the internet would get greater traction, access would be more equal. And again it creates jobs which helps pour money into the economy.

    Criminal Justice reform - Acknowledge the bias that exists in sentencing, increase the pay of public defendants, work on putting forward some of the reforms that study after study have suggested would help. Communities most affected by crime would see that their needs are being listened to.

    Yes, they can still address issues like climate change, land preservation, etc. But that isn't what they need to publicize initially. They can bring that up at election times.

    Also of note the city of Philadelphia went for Biden but Trump did better there in 2020 than he did in 2016. Where he didn't do as well were the suburbs. There were other cities that followed that pattern. So maybe the moderate tact made inroads, but at the same time Biden still won the cities and urban areas so that is important to hold on to.
     
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    Well she did **** the bed with the stimulus talks and lost all of her leverage but besides that I guess she did alright.
     
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    Exactly, we should start focusing on how we can save people money........

    DD
     
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    This board seems to grossly underestimate Pelosi's political acumen and skill.
     
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    She got my respect after passing Obamacare when whatever was planned for a year was shitcanned after Ted Kennedy's passing.

    Pretty much told the (one term) bluedogs to die on their swords cuz there's no retreat.
     
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    Legislators like Pelosi are one of the primary reasons I have never been a fan of term limits. Learning the intricacies of our political system to get legislation passed is a skill that term limits effectively eliminates. Few freshmen congress members come in with the skill to shepherd a good idea into good law. Then your stuck with bomb throwing tea party idiots who didn't know their asses from a whole in the ground when it came to effective legislation.
     
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    So Nancy and the DNC have such pathetic self awareness that they still hold themselves as the great masters of down ballot races after what happened on Nov 3.
     
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