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DeLay Forced to Remain on Ballot

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jul 6, 2006.

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  1. Saint Louis

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    What I don't like to see is people blaming the ***ty illegal aliens. You know what, they are doing whatever is necessary to better their life. More power to them. If you guys are so damn pissed off, why not take it out on the politicians who don't really care about immigration. How about going after the employers who are more then happy to pay these people for their hard work. How about actually supporting the border patrol in shutting off the border if they are serious. A friend of mine who works the Border Patrol out of Nogales, AZ, caught the same guy three times crossing the border in one eight hour shift. The guys and gals working for the Border Patrol, at least here in Arizona, have a pretty low moral because they really aren't doing anything to stop illegal immigration. That whole thing about the national guard going to the border. They said all of around 30 national guardsmen have been assigned to the Arizona/Mexico border. You can b**** and moan about how pissed you are at illegal aliens, but your anger is misdirected. Just like the government doesn't care what you think about Iraq, taxes, the environment. The government, at least the federal government, doesn't really care about illegal immigration. Face it, the government doesn't care what you think unless you have big time money to buy their ear.

    Sounds of some of you would like you to put them all in concentration, excuse me, internment camps. Hell if you want to go completely Soviet style on us, why not just setup up snipers along the border and pick them off one by one trying to cross. And why do you want to do this because those same illegal aliens are only thinking about themselves and bettering their life. You know what, that sounds pretty damn American to me, thinking about one self first.

    Most of us sit in our comfy surburban homes, with our computers and smugly look down on the rest of the world. You know what, most of us didn't choose to be Americans, we were born Americans. We won the freaking lottery when we were born. To the rest of the world, we are the big fat wealthy elitist living in the country club while the rest of humanity looks in wondering how do I get some of that. And we wonder why we are hated more and more by the rest of the world. Maybe it is because we as a nation/people have lost our moral compass.
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    No, you just have no response because even your own article said exactly what I did in my first post. Illegal aliens pay less taxes. I don't see where there is much more to debate.

    She is penalized because she has to go through the buearacracy to achieve the same result plus she pays ALL of her taxes on top of this. How do you not understand this?

    I don't doubt that they worry as well. You go apply for a visa and see if you worry during the 3 months you have to wait for an approval.

    After seeing what it takes to be here legally, I can't imagine all of the sudden adding several million extra people to the process. It would be a logistical nightmare.

    It isn't just education. If someone is paying 50% less than the rest of society and on top of that they are here illegally, I don't understand how you can sit there and tell me that is fair? If our government wants them here so bad and they are so necessary, change the laws.


    I have no problem with anyone that seeks opportunity. I have a problem with people that seek opportunity and go about it illegally and skirt the system. I look at it similar to the mafia. They get income through illegal means and evade taxes. They should go to jail. While I'm not saying illegals should go to jail, I am saying that they should get shipped home.
     
  3. Master Baiter

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    There is nothing wrong with bettering your life if you do it legally. I agree our system is flawed but until it changes, follow the processes that we have in place. Is that too much to ask?

    I do not condone putting illegals in jail and I certainly do not condone snipers. There are plenty of legal immigrants that obtain the American Dream legally, so can they if they want it bad enough.

    Actually, its the type of attitude that you have that other countries hate. Thinking that we are so much better than the rest of the world and that "we won the lottery at birth". We are the Dallas of the world. A bunch of $30,000 millionaires that stick their noses up at the rest of the world. America isn't leaps and bounds better than the rest of the world, we are just programmed from the time we are born that America is the home of the free. America is the best country on Earth. No where else even compares. They think we are arrogant and ignorant.

    As far as moral compass goes, most of the world feels we are a bunch of prudes.
     
  4. rimbaud

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    I will assume that you are being intentionally melodramatic and did not have faith in our public school system. That would be silly if you did. Why does your son have trouble reading?

    It is not a funny feeling, it is the reality of our school system. Roughly one in five high school graduates cannot read.
     
  5. Major

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    What if the processes in place don't allow them to better their life?

    Which do you think is more important to parents trying to ensure their kids have an opportunity to not live in poverty their whole lives? Following some rules and waiting 10 or 20 years until its possibly too late, or doing whatever it takes to give them that opportunity?
     
  6. Master Baiter

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    The United States cannot save everyone in the entire world.
     
  7. Major

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    Agreed - and I'm not suggesting that they can. You asked why illegal immigrants don't just follow the processes in place. I'm suggesting that from the perspective of the illegal immigrant, the choice to break the law is a very easy, straightforward, and moral one.
     
  8. Aceshigh7

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    insane man, you win. My blood pressure just can't take continued arguing with you. You'll just never get it. Keep telling yourself that illegals contribute the full cost (or even close to the full cost) of all their children attending schools here.
     
  9. Master Baiter

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    They are not illegal, they are merely undocumented.
     
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    a person can't be illegal. a persons actions can either be legal or not. but how can a person himself be illegal?
     
  11. Saint Louis

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    Here is the kicker. Our government doesn't follow its own laws, so why should the illegal immigrants.

    Actually I think most people do think we are the Dallas of the Earth. I personally think we are the most wasteful of the earth and yes we are all programmed to think that way. Wave the flag and enjoy.
     
  12. Saint Louis

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    Are illegal aliens the entire reason your son can't read? Did they rip away that ability from him? Is it possible you/he live in a ****y school district? Have you explored every avenue outside of school to get him to read? Is it because of a physical handicapp? Is it because of a situation in his life, aren't you divorced? Just explain to me how their sorry asses are responsible because your son can't read. Is every illegal alien guilty of this offense?
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    As his opponent, Nick Lampson did time and time again when he was the representative in Clear Lake.

    I really don't know.

    Really, potential corruption, bribery, and money laundering charges are "not relevant?" What planet do you come from?

    And he has been indicted on criminal charges including bribery and money laundering. If you want to vite for a guy who is about to go on trial for those kind of charges, go ahead. I would rather have a non-criminal represent me, regardless of political persuasion.

    Apparently, you think that criminality is secondary to ideaology. I do not.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    It is.
     
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    How long have you worked at JSC? Lampson was defending those funds for years while DeLay was laundering money to get his redistricting through.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Not if you ask Jesus Christ.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, he was protecting his constituency, just as he will again.

    Texas' biggest taxes are sales and property tax. When an "illegel" pays rent, they are in turn paying the property tax. If they somehow purchase a house, they are paying the same.

    When an "illegel" pays sales tax, as they do for virtually every purchase, they are paying taxes.

    How exactly do illegals skip out on the taxes for schools?

    First, I would like to see where you got your 7.7b number and the 1.8b contribution. I would also like you to show how exactly illegals skip out on property and sales taxes to support these services.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    Actually, the vast majority of illegal aliens use fake SS cards and pay both FICA and SS tax that they will never see proceeds from. There was a 60 Minutes report on this very phenomena and I am providing a link below that shows that illegals are contributing $7 billion per year to Social Security that they will never receive proceeds from.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/b...600&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ei=5090&partner=kmarx
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, every single person (except the homeless) pay those taxes. Rent to owners translates into property taxes.

    Again, where do these numbers come from?
     
  20. rimrocker

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    Must be hard to rake in that blood money when you have no power...

     

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