Defense vs Offense, JVG vs Adelman (with facts for once)

Too much jump shooting. Even with the 04-05 team we had the same issue in the playoffs. When we weren't running an Tracy was walking the ball up we struggled cause its was all jumpers. In the clutch when Utah needed baskets it was points in the paint. The team that gets the easy buckets will always win out. Even with a team like Golden State that was on fire jacking up 3s at first glimpse of the hoop. The percentages will always even out and you miss out on gimmes from the FT line.

 

He did lay the blueprint for Nellie as to how to guard Dirk.

 

A very good point, the team takes too many low percentage shots, and unlike the Suns they more than likely brick them. But your key point is that the team that takes the most shots in the paint should out score their opponent most of the time, and you are right.

 

if you're gonna err one way over the other...i'd err defense.

should the rockets improve their offense...yes?

best way to do that??? add personnel that can freaking score. add one other player who can create his own shot. add one other player who is a legit 3rd option. play him in the same defensive rotation JVG set up.

but the rocks didn't do that.

 

i think that defensive efficiency isn't the ultimate stat for describing a good defense because i think that controlling the tempo of the opponent team is a big defensive factor, too. so for me opponent fg % is a little more important than defensive efficiency. if you look up those stats for jvg and adelman then you'll see that adelman's teams usually were better in defensive efficiency than in opponent fg %. the opposite is true for jvg. his teams usually were better in opponent fg % than in defensive efficiency.

the next thing that i want to mention is that adelman is a lot more dependent on good individual defense by his players. jvg could make a defensive fool look ok in his team defense. when adelman doesn't have good individual defenders his teams overall defense will suffer a lot. look at the stats and you will see what i mean.

what does this mean for the rockets? they played good defense because of jvg. they will be a lot worse under rick adelman since the rockets really only have 2 or 3 really good defenders.

 

i've been saying this for a while now. basketball doesn't lend itself as well to the same statistical analysis that you see in baseball. it's just not the nature of the game. there is rhythm...there is pace...there is tempo. FG% is not batting average as efficiency is to OPS.

 

We shall see, but my guess is that Adelman will not play the same rotational players.

For instance, Snyder is a very good individual defender as is V-Span, so he may be able to play defense close to JVG's level while improving the offense as well.

Not to mention, I fully expect the Roster to get some new additions as well as some subtratcions....

DD

 

I totally agree, stats never tell the whole story in basketball.

I guess the ultimate stat, is wins and losses.....

That is really all that matters.

DD

 

QUESTION: What was the Offensive and Defense number against Play off Teams? [East v West]

Rocket River
that would be interesting for this year

 

This is a lot of typing to prove that good teams > bad teams. If balance won championships than we'd see the 15/15 teams win more often than the 4/12 teams.

Plus you made no attempts to account for talent disparities.

Talent wins championships a sh-tload more than coaches.

 

Those were the three teams that went to the NBA Finals. All three were better on defense than offense, and the Knicks were almost last in offensive efficiency.

 

Good defense always beats good offense, hands down. BUT!!! When you have Tmac on the floor, and Rafer, the goal is no longer stellar defense alone, it is in fact defense with a compliment of offense. I don't think our team really yields well for amazing defense alone, we need more offensive prowess, more quick points, we can take the Spurs model, and tweak it to fit the best scorer to grace the game: TMAC. We can also find a leader of the team in whomever we get at PG (I'm thinking SF3).

Love him or hate him, SF3 always said 'it's on me', frick, he even coined himself the Franchise. Tmac is not capable of leading the team, hell even Mike James was more of a leader than mac. But, with Adelman at the helm, it should be smooth sailing from here on out. Ricky will be able to integrate the Steve Francis experience with the Yao and Tmac show. I am delightfully optimistic. Sorry Gundy, we hardly knew ye.

 

which is why they were the 8th seed. Once Ewing went down in the playoffs, it allowed Camby to play more and have a more uptempo style of offense. i would be curious what they're offense was during the playoffs. Im positive it increased due to the change of style.

 

We sure did not look brutal against Utah - a team I still think we could have beaten. they man-handled us.

We sure should be in the conference finals now....

 

I wouldn't worry too much about losing our defensive mentality. Take detroit for example, when Larry Brown left and Flip Saunders took over the team maintained its defensive mentality while adding an offensive punch.

I envision Adelman doing the same to the Rockets. We might drop a few spots in defensive efficiency, but that will be more than made up for by a jump of 7 or 8 in offensive efficiency.

 

You obviously missed the boat on this one. 15/15 team is not a very good team. Meaning you are ranked 15th in offense and 15th in defense.

We are saying balance wins championships, but a balance of good offense (top 10) and excellent defense (top 3). Not a balance of mediocre offense/mediocre defense.

 

H-TownBBall, excellent job! This is one of the best and objective threads I have seen on this forum for a while.

You're right. It's all about the balance. JVG's defense is very good, but his offense is just too bad for Rockets to be a contender. I see why Morey wanted to hire JVG as a defense consultant though. Anyway, I think Adelman will do a better job overall and take Rockets to pass the first round.

 

But how come our defense was worse in the playoffs than in the regular season?

My guess is, we don't have consistent shooters on our team. Why? Perhaps it's very hard to find players who are consistent shooters AND good defenders. So when you can't have both, guess what JVG prefers?

 

Sam, do you just play dumb or do you just don't get it?

Balance means good at both end. Mediocre at both ends is not balance. Our team was mediocre at offense. All JVG teams are mediocre at offense. Adelman, on the other hand, has had some teams that were good at both ends.

 

If the Pheonix Suns were to play the Detroit Pistons in the Finals, But Pheonix only plays offense and the Pistons only play Defense, the whole game,who wins?