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Defense on an elite PG

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Don FakeFan, Nov 16, 2010.

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  1. DaDakota

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    This is a man who gets it, defense at the rim is vital, though I would rather bench Miller and put in Hill.

    DD
     
  2. chenjy9

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    Right... and we would have done better by putting AB (a much worse defender) on Rose instead? Most of Rose's points came off the high pick for a jumper. At least Lowry stuck a hand in his face. AB would have been trapped completely by the screen or get there even later. With AB on Rose, what would most likely happen is Rose will get easier looks and further carve up our D by penetrating in and dishing out, meaning the rest of the team gets involved as well. At least with Lowry forcing him into jumpers half the time, he only involves himself. You should take your own advice. You are very good at only focusing on the good of AB and the bad of Lowry or Ish. Unlike you, I am willing to try something different after last year's dismal showing and this year's poor start.
     
  3. HillBoy

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    When he came out of Oregon he was 5-8. Then around draft time he grew an inch to 5-9. He was supposedly the next coming of Calvin Murphy. Then the Rockets spin-machine goes into operation and suddenly he was 6-0 in the shoes (I guess it IS the shoes Mars...). No matter, he is s-h-o-r-t and gets abused on defense because he is s-h-o-r-t - shoes nonwithstanding.

    It's not a question of like vs. dislike on my part rather, it's that I refuse to engage in the pretense that given his obvious physical limitations, his lack of defensive skills and his streaky shooting, he should still be considered to be an elite, close to elite or championship level PG (or whatever the Morey spin-machine is pumping out this week).
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Couldn't do any worse, and at least Brooks would have forced him to guard him on the perimeter.

    That 4th quarter where Rose was leaving AB all alone on the perimeter was ugly, no respect for Kyle's game at all.

    No, he did not most of the jumpers were uncontested.

    I agree, we should try something to make the team better, whenever you come up with a good idea, you will have my support.

    I would trade Yao...what about you?

    DD
     
  5. chenjy9

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    You will see my ideas are good as soon as you stop sniffing AB's jock strap like its coke. :rolleyes:
     
  6. sammy

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    The bottom line is that AB and Martin are one of the most weak-sauce backcourts ever assembled.

    Edit: Elis and Curry are actually smaller but their speed is getting it done.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    All complete and utterly made up nonsense:

    AB is 5'11 and 3/4" in shoes according to the NBA draft measurments

    Which BTW is 1 1/4" less than Chris Paul.....

    Funny how defense at the rim can make them effective, now who has been saying that all along?

    Oh yeah..ME !


    DD
     
  8. jopatmc

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    T.J. Ford is taller than Brooks. That tells you how tall Brooks is.


    Whoops. I left T.J. off my list.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    WHO DA ***** CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .....are yall Darryl Morey and Jeff Van GUndy in disguise???
     
  10. sammy

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    Ya ok. We were getting lit up on the perimeter. Not only at the rim.
     
  11. Rocketeer

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    DD, I agree with you, I just don't think you use the most REASONABLE facts to back up your arguments. It seems like you just pick out stats that really look bad without thinking it through.

    Firstly, Kyle is clearly not 100% in shape (I know... summer camp... out of shape blah blah blah), he has to play because he's all we got right now. Injuries are part of the game. You keep downplaying his defense against Rose in several threads now. In case you haven't checked, Rose is damn good, and he'll torch ANYONE on any given night. Last night was as bad as I've seen Kyle play (hopefully he'll pick up his game ASAP).

    Kyle, simply doesn't start because he can't shoot AND as you have pointed out, can't sustain his effective level of play for a starter's minutes.
     
  12. wekko368

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    it's pretty funny. his rationalizations are r****ded.

    it's like "2+2=4.....therefore, yao must be the tallest player on the rockets."

    and when someone calls him out on that logical disconnect, his reaction would be, "you don't think yao is the tallest rocket?!?!?! you obviously dont know anything about basketball!!"
     
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    that might have been better? the rest of the bulls wouldnt have been able to get into a groove
     
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    Wow! Just wow.....

    I came in here to post but after getting caught up on this thread I think 3 guys in here need and intervention.

    Sammy, Chenjy9 = HUGE LOWRY MANCRUSH

    DaDakota = EVEN BIGGER BROOKS MANCRUSH

    How much time have you three spent fighting over these guys? It's like listening to my 12 year old daughters argue over who's cuter in their class. Come on fellas, This is not the biggest problem with the Rox, neither one of them are the answer to the teams woe's right now. Put your purses away and lets be men.

    We need a guy teams can't take away in the fourth quarter. It doesn't matter which position. Problem is, none of those guys want to play in Houston atm.
     
  15. wekko368

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    which bulls were in a groove? deng shot 6-21 and gibson shot 1-9. the more likely scenario would've been that rose would've taken shots away from deng/gibson which would've been more detrimental to the rockets.
     
  16. Rocketeer

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    Repped. There is a lot more to it than just swapping players because of their skills. As pointed, the rotation of the second unit would be all screwed up as a consequence as well. Great post.
     
  17. sammy

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    Nope. First of all, I've said this a million times..I'm a big fan of AB. I was thrilled we drafted him as I watched him light it up in his senior year at Oregon.

    It's clear as day that our D has vastly improved since AB's injury. We're not giving up 120 pts a game for God's sake. AB can't stay in front of his guy and was getting shredded by the opposing PG.

    I'm with jopatmc. Neither are the answer.
     
  18. chenjy9

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    You need to work on reading comprehension. I want Lowry to start but I want Brooks to get more minutes. I feel AB will be better suited as spark off the bench and closer.
     
  19. wekko368

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    Correct, neither one of them are the answer to the Rockets' problems, but until we solve that problem, we need to focus on winning games that are winnable, and so far, we haven't been.

    Tinkering with the lineup isn't the long-term solution, but it might be a short-term one.
     
  20. albuster

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    The bottom line with all these arguments for Lowry or Brooks is what I have been pointing out for some time now, the Rockets' pg position needs to be upgraded. Both Brooks and Lowry are not the answer. I don't know who it is but it certainly is not what the Rockets currently have.

    The argument is really moot. Either way, the pg position is a weakness right now.
     

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