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Defense is OVERRATED, we need OFFENSE

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. fanwq

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    Yes, I thought for long time why Suns can still win without A.S.
    Because they have perfect offence system owing to their coach.
     
  2. TTRocket

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    Yeah we need more offense than defense for sure at this point. That was our mistake in trading away Mike James and Padgett in that we traded two good offensive players. Now we're stuck with the supposed playmaker Alston who doesnt really make plays but just passes the ball and the defensive stopper Ryan Bowen. JVG and CD made moves this summer that overestimated our offensive prowess and now its coming back to hurt us.
     
  3. pasox2

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    You are right.

    And give up on JVG. He is part of the problem, not part of the solution. The sooner he gets the axe the better.
     
  4. xcomputerman

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    I know man, I'm sitting here utterly breathless after that astonishing comeback. :)
     
  5. xcomputerman

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    Here's the problem with this argument though. You made a great point in that we are loaded with offensive weapons. Problem is 6 out of those 9 players you mentioned are injured. And that's just what I'm saying - with those 9 players, we ought to be able to hang with anyone in this league. It is because of that roster that everyone expected us to be a major threat to San Antonio this season. Problem is, we DON'T have that roster anymore. 67% of all that offense is gone. We just don't have enough talent left to even compete in this NBA, let alone win. When we have our offensive weapons, we win games. With JVG. So how is JVG the problem?

    I'm trying to find your logic here.
     
  6. richirich

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    Yeah, remember the movie "The Sandlot"?

    "You play baseball like a girl!!!"

    This one comes in very handy during College Debate team competition! :D
     
  7. hajkov

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    Fact is: last year we could play eigher agains defensive or offensive minded team. Against the spurs, pistons, both teams had about 80 points, and we won games.... agains mavs, kings, both teams scored 100+ game, and we won games...

    well, this year, we cant win neighter way...


    i dont believe defense is overrated, and some guys gave the spurs/detroit example, but a team needs to play defensive when their players are able to...

    yao, tmac, jhow, stro, wesley, head... THEY ARE ALL OFFENSIVE PLAYERS FOR GOD'S SAKE

    i dont blame the rox for not winning these games w/o yao and tmac... but when we had them, jvg keep on the crappy team strategy, and that pisses me off
     
  8. bplld

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    Remember how long it took us to score 100 points. Quite a while i believe. How many points do we score without TMac, quite a few i believe.

    Read my sig, main reason why its JVG's fault.
     
  9. rocketsregle

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    xcomputerman there is no logic to blaming Van Gundy. There must be a full moon tonight because all the JVG-haters have come out in droves. Some dislike him because they didn't agree on his signing in the first place and others are letting their frustrations of this season get in the way. Regardless of which one they fall into; it has left them with an inability to be fair.
     
  10. pasox2

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    Being "fair" is being generous. Life isn't fair. Stern isn't fair. Get over it. Stop projecting your desperate need for stasis. Life is chaos. Embrace it. Go with a coach who can flow, like the Tao. The Neo-confucionist like JVG are desperate for orders, because they grasp at something they think they want, that never was, that is not now. There is only now. Embrace it. Now is past and future, if only you embrace now, and do what is. You have to find the nature of what you experience, right now. let me give you a hint. It's Tanking. Don't change Yao. Don't change Tmac. Let them be who they are.
     
  11. xcomputerman

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    Prelude To The Tao of BS, by Zen Master Pasox.
     
  12. rocketsregle

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    What was that? I don't need a lecture on how life is not fair. I already know that. And nobody is advocating changing Yao or T-Mac, blaming Stern, and my post is definitely not advocating any desperate need for stasis. Since you were intent on giving me a life lesson here is my rebuttal: Let me give you a hint. The fact that life isn't fair does not mean one should accept what ever the element/situation that is causing life to be unfair. If people accepted that life was unfair American segregation would still exist.

    In other words, the fact that life is unfair will not stop me from calling anybody out who I feel is being unreasonable.
     
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  13. Turcan5

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    I think everyone expected Swift to be a solid starter on this team. If the people who made those predictions knew that Howard, Wesley/DA, and Alston would be our starters when the season began, I don't think they would see the Rockets as a major threat to San Antonio.
     
  14. tinman

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    i'm leaving cause ill be the #1 pick in the draft. i have to follow my dreams.
     
  15. tinman

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    isnt that the one with McCallay Cuaklan getting stung by bees?
     
  16. tinman

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    nice!

    i feel like busting out a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic from your post.
     
  17. tinman

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    Swift is not a half court player. Unless he's cleaning up the boards and making putbacks, I dont see him being our Tim Duncan. He's like Shawn Marion without the ugly jumper...or without a jumper period.
     
  18. Sexyfratstud

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    Not only does good defense/crap offense= crap record, it is also so TERRIBLE and BORING to watch. I CAN NOT STAND another minute of JVG. Every loss is even more pathetic. I realize our scorers are out, but come on, lets atleast try to run an offensive set, does the guy even focus one min on that at practice or do the rocks just run defensive shuffles the whole time. We need to CAN JVG's @$$ and get someone in here who can run a solid offense that will put points on the board, and of course still focus on defense. I am just sooo tired of watching this garbage, i love, LOVE the rockets, but this is painful and plain BORING to watch.
     
  19. BigM

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    so did no one in here watch the rockets when they were a near offensive juggernaut last season? van gundy didn't forget how to run an offense but he can't put the ball in the basket and he can't make john lucas the third and lonnie baxter play like yao ming and tracy mcgrady. there's some seriously f#$ked up logic in here.


    let's look at it like this:

    teamA:

    alston
    wesley
    bowen
    howard
    mutombo

    head coach: phil jackson, larry brown, whoever you want

    vs.

    teamB:

    sura
    barry
    mcgrady
    swift
    yao

    head coach: jeff van gundy

    team b wins in a blowout anyday and anytime. this season isn't about the coaching it's about a dearth of talent on the court.

    if the players you have out could assemble a team and wipe the floor with the players you have healthy than yes, injuries are a viable excuse. you can't win in this league without talent and this team doesn't have it on the court. WESLEY AND HOWARD ARE THE CURRENT BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM. it really doesn't get any simpler than that.
     
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  20. krocket

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    Who says we are playing great defense this year anyway? Yes, the other team doesn't score very many points, but that is mostly the slow-down offensive style that sucks 24 seconds and sometimes more off the clock every time down the floor. Sometimes I think JVG has opened a page from Dom Capers book of coaching 'Attempt to keep it close until the fourth quarter and then try to pull it out'. It gives the illusion that we're playing good defense. Last year we did play good defense and our offense was keyed off the defense. Hence, no defense this year gives the Rox no offense this year. In any event I hope JVG follows Capers out-the-door for lack of imagination, if nothing else.
     

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