Really? Sure seems like that is exactly what you are saying here... and here (Bolded part to make clear where you implicitly stated such) Furthermore, choosing to fight cotto for more money was a BS excuse? And while I'd much rather Pac have chosen to fight mosley after cotto, its hard to argue (except in hindsight) their decision to try and make a mayweather bout. Totally agree with loving to see Williams vs Pac or Martinez vs Pac. Despite the extreme difference in size, range, length, height and weight, i'd expect the Pwill v Pac to be extremely compelling as both fighters are nonstop offensive machines. Though I favor Pwill to win a decisive decision (at 154 at 147 i might favor pac), I also expect the match to be competitive and very entertaining (sorta like martinez vs pwill, tho not as close but with more action). Aside from Mosley (the version that fought cotto/marg) and mayweather, I cant think of anyone else i'd rather see Pacquaio fight than Sergio Martinez. Both are lefties with speed, athleticism and an entertaining style. Despite Martinez being the current 160lb champ and pac fighting at welter, I think their match would be HIGHLY competitive and quite frankly I'm not sure who'd I'd favor. If the match was made at 155+ (MW bout) I have to favor Martinez just due to size, strength and the fact that Pacquaio's never even come close to Jr middleweight. If some miracle this match were made, I'd expect fireworks and the victor to win by KO. Unfortunately boxing isnt the NFL and its unlikely Williams or Martinez are big enough to get Pacquaio Or Mayweather (i'd favor may over both) to take the risk and fight them. Instead we'll get Margarito, who IMO is not only an undeserving choice but a stupid one by Arum, roach etal. Margarito may be a cheater, but he also is a bruiser/banger with a head of concrete. While I definitely think Pacquaio should win, there is a real chance, Margarito could completely smother Pacquaio, using rough house tactics, chasing him down, holding and somehow repeating his performance vs Cotto. Furthermore a win over Margarito doesnt do much for Pacquaio or boxing fans... but i guess its better than not fighting anyone at all.
Totally agree with loving to see Williams vs Pac or Martinez vs Pac. Despite the extreme difference in size, range, length, height and weight, i'd expect the Pwill v Pac to be extremely compelling as both fighters are nonstop offensive machines. Though I favor Pwill to win a decisive decision (at 154 at 147 i might favor pac), I also expect the match to be competitive and very entertaining (sorta like martinez vs pwill, tho not as close but with more action). Aside from Mosley (the version that fought cotto/marg) and mayweather, I cant think of anyone else i'd rather see Pacquaio fight than Sergio Martinez. Both are lefties with speed, athleticism and an entertaining style. Despite Martinez being the current 160lb champ and pac fighting at welter, I think their match would be HIGHLY competitive and quite frankly I'm not sure who'd I'd favor. If the match was made at 155+ (MW bout) I have to favor Martinez just due to size, strength and the fact that Pacquaio's never even come close to Jr middleweight. If some miracle this match were made, I'd expect fireworks and the victor to win by KO. Unfortunately boxing isnt the NFL and its unlikely Williams or Martinez are big enough to get Pacquaio Or Mayweather (i'd favor may over both) to take the risk and fight them. Instead we'll get Margarito, who IMO is not only an undeserving choice but a stupid one by Arum, roach etal. Margarito may be a cheater, but he also is a bruiser/banger with a head of concrete. While I definitely think Pacquaio should win, there is a real chance, Margarito could completely smother Pacquaio, using rough house tactics, chasing him down, holding and somehow repeating his performance vs Cotto. Furthermore a win over Margarito doesnt do much for Pacquaio or boxing fans... but i guess its better than not fighting anyone at all.[/QUOTE] Great post. I agree with pretty much everything you said with the exception being Pac/Margarito is better then nothing. I simply never want to see Margarito fight again because of what he did. Furthermore(not that this had a chance of happening though), I wanted Pac and Floyd to be forced to either fight each other, or fight other top fighters in the sport. I actually think the Margarito who fought Cintron would stop Manny. The thing with him now is (excluding plaster on his wraps), he's been in many wars and is on the wrong side of 30. When fighters like him slip they tend to fall pretty quickly. He got destroyed by Shane and just looked awful against Garcia. It kind of reminds me of Jose Luis Castillo to be honest. If Cotto/Floyd comes off I will be pissed too. Manny figthing Hatton after Floyd ko'd him and then Floyd fighting Cotto after Manny beat him all around the ring just doesn't sit right for me as a boxing fan. Thart said, I'm vcertainly not going to miss the influx of these new "fans" who don't even really care to learn anything about the sport. It's nearly impossible to go to any of the boards I frequent because the first two pages are Floyd/Pac threads.
Messed up my reply somehow. See my response to this in post #146. I can tell you know boxing so I definitely want to continue the discussion
Kind of like how Gayweather demanded the Olympic style drug testing?? It's Margarito where talking about here, they can make the guy wear a pink dress to meet their demands if they wanted too...
http://mmajunkie.com/news/19525/usa...ures-inadequate-recommends-tougher-stance.mma USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance. by John Morgan on Jun 14, 2010 at 6:30 am ET LAS VEGAS – This past week, the Nevada State Athletic Commission invited a panel of experts to speak at the commission's monthly meeting in an effort to gain a better understanding of what can and should be done to prevent athletes from gaining an unfair advantage through the use of performance-enhancing drugs. While the range of opinions varied widely in some aspects, almost everyone agreed on one thing. The NSAC (and consequently, commissions around the nation) needs to do a better job. "You can do better," U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart said. "You can do a lot better. I ask you to do better on behalf of clean athletes. "When I've got athletes coming to me to put a program in because they don't think yours is adequate, that's not good for our athletes. We need better." Blood vs. urine The question of what type of drug testing is needed in combat sports recently has garnered a great deal of attention. First, it was boxers Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao debating over the terms of testing in their on-again, off-again big-money fight. More recently, UFC champion Georges St-Pierre and challenger Josh Koscheck suggested "Olympic-style" testing was needed for their December contest. Currently, the NSAC (which along with the New Jersey and Ohio commissions are often trend-setters for the remainder of the country) tests athletes' urine post-fight, though off-season testing of urine can also be ordered for licensed athletes. Tygart, head of USADA – the nonprofit company that helps regulate sport in the U.S. – suggested that any credible drug testing program needs to involve both urine and blood testing since neither can be comprehensively trusted since certain substances can only be found in blood while others can be located solely in urine. "If you want to have an effective program, you at least have to have the right to do both (urine and blood testing)," Tygart said. "The right gives you that deterrent. You can decide later after you have that right how much you're actually going to do and when you're actually going to do it. But I think if you don't have the right to do it, it sends a loud message to dirty athletes: Go do whatever drug will give you a benefit that can only be detected in blood. "Everybody with a heartbeat now knows [human growth hormone] is only detected in blood. It will be a free-for-all, if it's not already, for human growth hormone use if you don't have the right to at least collect blood." The evolution of cheating Designer steroids have long been considered the biggest concern in regards to athletes cheating to gain an edge on their adversaries. But as new substances such as HGH and Erythropoietin (EPO) gain prominence in the landscape of sport, it becomes more and more likely that athletes will be tempted to do whatever it takes to succeed in the increasingly financially rewarding arena of combat sports. As such, experts such as Robert Voy, the former chief medical officer for the United States Olympic Committee, believe the rush to keep up with the technology means commissions in charge of combat sports need to be prepared for constant evolution. "This business of testing for performance-enhancing drugs is going to be in the future a never-ending situation," Voy said. "There are people that insist upon – either through science or in some way – finding an advantage in a sport, particularly in a professional sport where the awards are financial. We'll always have to have an open-ended list of performance-enhancing drugs and always be looking for the new substances." And as Tygart reminded the commission, it's not just substances that need to be addressed. Technologies such as blood transfusions have to be monitored as well. "You can't specifically list every drug that would fall in the category of anabolic steroids," Tygart said. "That's the designer steroid issue. Secondly, [the NSAC doesn't] prohibit methods that aren't drugs. There are methods such as gene doping, such as transfusions, that would be very beneficial (to combat sports athletes)." Tygart believes the NSAC should institute a policy similar to that of USADA's, which allows for no-advance-notice testing of both blood and urine. Essentially, fighters would need to be available for immediate testing at any and all times, as opposed to the 24-hour notice that athletes are currently given. "You can't give people notice," Tygart said. "It allows an athlete ample time to mask, to catheterize, to dilute, to do a number of different things to get a different substance, a different urine supply, a Whizzinator – you see these devices that are out there – and athletes are using them. "No question, there's a big difference, and you have to have a premium on no-advance-notice testing." Cost/benefit analysis While USADA's suggestions would almost certainly ensure a level playing field for mixed martial artists, the costs quickly would add up. With Nevada's state government already strapped for cash (along with most local governments in the current economic climate), commissioners questioned whether the goals are feasible financially. Tygart suggested the NSAC couldn't afford not to – a claim perhaps bolstered by the UFC's Dennis Hallman recently estimating as many as 50 percent of all MMA fighters are on the juice. "You can't afford not to do it," Tygart said. "You have to find ways to have a great policy, provide some education – there's no cost to that – and then look at the money you have. Can you find new revenues? Can you shift revenues? I don't know. Take a dollar 'Integrity of Sport' contribution from the pay-per-view to (Floyd) Mayweather-(Shane) Moseley, and that will fund your program for the next five years. The money is there. You just have to decide, I think, that it's a priority and spend the time to try and come up with a program that can be the most effective that it can given the resources. "I look at the pay-per-view money, and I look at the purses for the athletes – and granted, that's the big fight and the one fight. I look at the revenues the casinos are making. The casinos have an interest. They have an interest in having a level playing field. The odds go against them when someone's cheating to win. ... Don't let money stop you from putting a policy in place that works." The tip of the iceberg The NSAC, as well as other commissions across the country, face a difficult task in attempting to curtail all potential use of performance-enhancing drugs and procedures. The two-hour-plus meeting also touched on challenges such as testing processes, suitability of defense against legal challenges, potential adverse reactions to blood testing, quality of facilities testing the samples, combating evasion techniques and much more. It was a mountain of information to consider, and NSAC officials were using the hearing as a fact-finding mission only, so no immediate changes were made or scheduled. Despite the challenges, most experts agreed something needed to be done. "My personal opinion is that using an anabolic steroid or a performance-enhancing drug that increases unfairly the individual's opportunity to gain endurance, muscular strength, etc., is a risk to the health of the participants in the sport," Voy said. "In fact, my personal opinion has always been that the use of anabolic steroids in the sport of boxing ... could be likened to a criminal act in terms of having not only an unfair advantage but an advantage which would be cheating and difficult for the opponent to deal with fairly." Following the meeting, Tygart told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that even if the NSAC could start simply by implementing the new policies with main-event fighters, the results could prove beneficial for the entirety of the sport. "Make no mistake; when an athlete cheats with drugs, it is fraud," Tygart said. "A lot of taxpayer money is being defrauded when athletes cheat and win." And despite being a guest of the NSAC, Tygart pulled no punches in pushing the commission to adopt a more stringent set of testing guidelines. "Please, no disrespect," Tygart said. "I appreciate your willingness to consider these issues and hopefully do better. "I think frankly, [the current testing system] is inadequate. You guys deserve better. Your athletes deserve better." John Morgan is the lead staff reporter for MMAjunkie.com.
Sergio Martinez vs "Money" Mayweather will happen @ 154 no bullsh!t catchweight. Sergio will agree to all random olympic drug testing up to the fight.
Are you honestly comparing Olympic style drug testing to a catchweight? Are you a fan of boxing or just a Manny fan? Personally, I want Olympic style testing throughout the sport. Even though Floyd has an agenda, it doesn't mean the end result isn't a positive. I hate catchweights period.
Hopefully this fight happens. If boxings organazations had any integrity they would impliment strict testing and eliminate catchweights. I can't see Tommy Hearns or Duran asking an opponent for a catchweight
I watch boxing for my own pleasure.. I'm watching it for me, it is entertaining.. I'm not pro manny or anti gayweather, I just watch it because it is awesome.. I could care less if one of them is 98 lbs on meth and the other is 7'10 with one leg.. I just want to see people outbox the other or someone get knocked out!!! I'm not a boxing geek like some of you here, I'm a boxing watcher...
You aren't anti Floyd but you refer to him as "gayweather" every chance you get? Right......I don't see you calling Manny Pacroid
Manny can't be stopped! Both sides need to get this thing over and done with once and for all. Enough will all the preening and the posturing. Just give us the damn fight before they get too damn old. Obviously Pacman will destroy Mayweather, which is why Floyd keeps stallin.
[THE VERDICT] FLOYD is a CHICKEN Mayweather. http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aokq4IrM2PZ92W.V_4u5KoqUxLYF?slug=ki-floydducking072710
Wow taking a couple of years off so when he does fight and if he loses he can say " It's because I'm past my prime (age) " I got to hand it to him though because he cares more about legacy than money which I thought that was what he was all about it.
