I already stated I don't think its viable either, for many reasons. The only point I'm trying to make is a)there is precedence. You can talk about your Irish ancestors or your Italian ancestors all you want, but no one has been F***ed by the government more than blacks and native americans. The simple fact is every other group chose to be here. There is no comparison. b)Blacks have never recieved anything in compensation for being legally held back. Unfortunately, its really too late.
Blacks have been compensated. It's okay for them to make white jokes on TV and talk about "brothas this" and "sistahs that" but if ol' Jethro gets up there and talks about "whites this" or "whites that" then he automatically gets labelled biased redneck trailor park trash. What is the ratio of blacks only scholarships vs. whites only scholarships? They have been overcomepensated because they are still whining and certain fools at organizations such as the ACLU are blowing everything out of proportion. Everyone can sue everyone else for this or that. Under this kind of mentality, if you are Cajun you could sue certain British and Canadians because your ancestors were driven out of Nova Scotia before they settled in Louisiana. In fact, I now think that all Mormons should sue every state government that made it lawful to shoot a Mormon. Let's bankrupt every corporation in the world for our own personal gain although it has nothing to do with anything. This gets categorized along with the dumb broad who put hot coffee between her legs and got burned. And for anyone who says the decendants of the Israelites should not sue because it was thousands of years ago that the Egyptians held them captive for 400 years, in case you haven't taken the blinders off, Jews are still being persecuted today. I hate that they actually allow stupidity to win. It drives me nuts. This is why I hate Americans. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not anti-American, I'm just anti-stupid people which is a good portion of the world.
Women were held back for a long time too. They benefitted from Affirmative Action more than any other group. How would you pay them back? For all the flaws in AA, I still think it's a viable course of action. I'd rather support it based on class than race, but the electorate is generally stupid enough to elect politicians based on simplistic wedge issues.
i don't see how anyone who supports reparations for nazi slave labor/genocide can argue against reparations for black slave labor/genocide. frankly if precedent has been set for one, the rest follows as logical consequences. there is no statute of limitations on these things, as someone had mentioned earlier. and if you argue against compensating black people, are you going to demand the jewish people who've already received compensation to pay the money back?
I think it goes a little beyond Jews and slave labor. The Nazis stole billions of dollars from the Jews. While they were busy rounding them up, they were robbing them of their money and destroying their businesses.
Great point. Didn't women get the right to vote AFTER freed slaves / black americans? I think my wife needs reparations from everyone who was able to vote when women couldn't. So essentially you can sign your slavery reparation check right over to my wife. Thanks in advance.
That's a dumb argument. Your wife is also a decendant of men genius. So yes, woman were discriminated against, but the analolgy isn't logical.
...and you aren't? Women still make less money then their male counterparts, they were the last to be able to vote, they were considered "chattal" (which I believe is property....which seems a bit like slavery) in the so-called good ole days, and they still get hosed in the court system in the rape trial dept if they happen to enjoy a fullfilling sex life around the time of their assault. Sorry man, but I see the analogy working. Just like I see the analogy with the Israelites, the Native Americans, the Mayans, the Irish, the Polish, the Chinese, the Japanese, etc etc etc.
Dude you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that women were discriminated against, the point is, the BLACK community was held back. Your wife at least benifits from the opportunities of her male decendants. That's why the analogy doesn't work.
What's the point of that statement? Slave owner robbed slaves of millions if not billions during the course of slavery in America. Do you think they were paid for their services in the cotton, tobacco, etc. fields?
This is the billionth thread about this topic. The goal of tort law is to put the aggreived party into the exact same position they would have been in had the tortious conduct never happened. Throw in some punitive damages and damages for pain and suffering, and BOOM...judgment. In order to get to the other damages, you must prove your economic damages. You have to prove which position you would have been in had the conduct never taken place. Now...argue your damages.
Can you sue someone for doing something that wasn't illegal at the time they did it? If it later became illegal to post on message boards, could all of us be arrested/sued for our participation in this forum?
Quick. Someone go arrest my parents for letting me ride around in the car without a child restraint seat! Can I sue for damages?
an action doesn't have to be illegal for you to be able to sue because it damaged you. if you go into a restaurant and sliip on a banana peel you can sue...but it's not a crime to accidentally leave a banana peel on the floor of the restaurant.
If the black slaves were indigenous to North America, my statement would not be relevant. Look at the facts: the companies that are being sued didn't rob anyone of any earthly possessions on a large scale as the Jews were robbed, rounded up, and methodically exterminated. Rival Africans captured and sold each other into slavery while obviously stealing whatever they could from their victims. It was an open market for Europeans, and later Americans, to partake of the slave trade. If those morons want to sue anyone, they should trace their roots back to Africa and sue the decendants of whoever sold them into slavery.
Ever been to Africa? This may sound harsh, but I think the decendants of African slaves have it better than the Africans who sold them into slavery hundreds of years ago. They are living in the US and are full citizens with the benefits of being in the country with one of the highest standards of living in the world. I think at least 90% of Africans and or most of the rest of the world would rather live in America. Slavery was a deplorable practice, but reparations would be paid by everyone in the US, many of whom's ancestors were not here at the time.
