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[Debate] Romney vs. Obama - 10/3/2012

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    It's a rare day when the right are the ones circle jerking around here.
     
  2. glynch

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    Wow! Now I know he really lost and I wasn't just being a disappointed leftist.:)

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    How can Obama (in the debate and not with ads) really show that the liar is lying without looking like an angry guy (and even worse an angry black guy)?
    How can he do it without cutting into his likability factor?
     
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  3. Hakeemtheking

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    How can Obama (in the debate and not with ads) really show that the liar is lying without looking like an angry guy (and even worse an angry black guy)?
    How can he do it without cutting into his likability factor?[/QUOTE]

    This is exactly what a black female friend told me today. Race relations have substantially improved over the years, but blacks still have to tiptoe in many circumstances. It shouldn't be that way.
     
  4. RocketRaccoon

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    Always the race card...a card you won't be able to play forever. In fact I bet most people of America is getting pretty damn sick and tired of it.

    But go on, blame the lost on the fact that Obama is black. I had a good day yesterday, have your's today.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    This is more advice for everyone getting hyperbolic over the debate. As I've said Romney won but I think people getting worked up over this as a disaster for Obama are overreacting and making far more out of this than the substance of the actual debate.

    One thing I will agree though is that perception is often more important than substance and we will see how the perception affects the election in the next week.
     
  6. The Real Shady

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    By coming back with the facts? But then he would look like an uppity black guy who thinks he knows everything. He just can't win because he's black, oh wait..
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree but I believe that the new 7.8% employment numbers will help take some attention away from his poor debate performance.

    Also as has been pointed out, in the Kerry vs. Bush debates, Kerry clearly won the first debate.
     
  8. Hakeemtheking

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    When you have a state legislator making jokes about the POTUS and his family, depicting them as monkeys, would that be considered as playing the race card? Face it, racism is alive in today's America, especially for many in the Gop. I am not even African American, but I don't have to be one to get the racial vibes still resonating in 2012. Like I stated, things are better, but we are far from being in a race neutral society.
     
  9. kpsta

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    As will this nifty little fact from an article on the jobs numbers:

    "There are now 325,000 more than when Obama took office."
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    Romney scores his first big moment of the entire campaign and all anybody can talk about is Big Bird. Meanwhile, unemployment shrinks, private sector job growth booms, and Obama's approval rating hits a 3 year high. Poor Mittens :-(
     
  11. Hakeemtheking

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    Donny, my wife has said for the longest time that Obama is one of the guys for whom luck almost always is on their side. The trend is your friend. Politically, this is great news for the good guys.
     
  12. Kojirou

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    I understand the urge to play the debate loss down, but is the Big Bird thing really actually that big, or even serious? I've noticed that it's more like the left trying to force something silly. I mean, there's people who've talked about it or made a few funny tweets, but from my impression, it's not that large or even taken that seriously - it's not like news sites have devoted much more to that than a line or two. Romney meant it as a joke, and that's what it been treated as.
     
  13. BigBenito

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    The joke is cutting funding to PBS to help fix the deficit.


    And it is a highly unpopular cut.

     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    One of the main complaints about Romney is that he is "not likable".
     
  16. juicystream

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    I'd cut funding to PBS. Heck, there would be no PBS.
     
  17. Major

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    Agreed - this is all noise. The story out of the debate was that Obama got his ass kicked. That's it. Everything else is minor sideshow.

    Now the next step is to see what effect it has on the polls. Major new polls won't come out until next week, so that's when we'll really know more. We do have three tracking polls:

    Gallup: Won't get released until noon, and it's a 7-day poll, so only 14% of its interviews will be from post-debate. That's not going to tell us much.

    Rasmussen: This is a 3-day poll, so 33% of the interviews are post-debate. Came out today with no change, so that's a decent sign for Obama - though it could just mean the day that was dropped off had been a bad day for Obama. We'll know much more tomorrow on this one.

    Reuters: Not sure how many tracking days this is, but they were nice enough to give us one-day results post-debate to compare with pre-debate numbers. Here, Romney made a gain - from being down 9 to being down 5. Obama didn't actually lose any support, but Romney gained in undecideds, which sounds like what you'd expect based on the debate storyline. Will be interesting to see if this repeats in other polls.
     
  18. YallMean

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    I'd pass a law to perpetuate the existence of PBS to eternality and beyond.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    That's amazing. So PBS stations, which usually get something like 90-95% (edit: it's closer to 98 -99%) of their funding from private sources, depending on the station (I forgot the exact data, but i've mentioned it before) - would be razed to the ground and have salt sown into their fields in your scenario?


    I'm guessing not. But you seem to be operating under the same myth that most americans do that public television is some marxist collective organization that sucks at the teat of public when it's really a miniscule porton of their overall funding.

    Meanwhile the Blackwaters, for profit colleges, or whatever of the universe that are almost entirely dependent on government contracts or loans for a revenue stream are right wing paragons of galtian virtue.

    Laughable.
     
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  20. YallMean

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    Sam's gone soft. Lol. You married or having had a kid? Where's that edge. I see lot of "probably" "would" "guessing" in your posts these days.
     

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