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[Debate] Best PG in the NBA?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by durvasa, Nov 13, 2010.

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Best PG in the NBA?

  1. Deron Williams

    107 vote(s)
    29.7%
  2. Chris Paul

    166 vote(s)
    46.1%
  3. Rajon Rondo

    65 vote(s)
    18.1%
  4. Other

    22 vote(s)
    6.1%
  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    lol - Rondo aint exactly your average human specimen either.
     
  2. MorningZippo

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    Had to pick rondo on this one. He isn't as good overall, but what he can do, he does better than everyone else in the league. Not only is he a killer in the passing lanes, but when he puts effort, he is the best on ball defender in the NBA. Add to that amazing passing. But the thing that puts him above everyone else is his ability to lead others on his team even though he isn't a vocal leader.

    Put rondo on the heat and he would lead that team for sure. It wouldn't be vocally, and most people couldn't tell. But through his leadership through example on the court.. He would lead.

    Rondo.
     
  3. Drexlerfan22

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    When you ask the question, "who's better with the ball in their hands," you have to stop and think for a second, and then probably give it to Paul by a hair.

    When you ask "who's better off the ball" and "who's better on defense," you don't really need to think.

    So overall, Williams, easily.
     
  4. ChrisBosh

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    I don't know how good Rondo is, he plays with 4 hall of famers, how good does he have to be to rack up assists? I'm sure he's great, but I wouldn't call him the best. I've got to go with Deron Williams, the guy is just a bull, he plays great defense and can take charge of the offense as well.

    -Offensively I would rather have the ball in Paul's hands.
    - Steve Nash was probably one of the best offensive PG's in the league a few years back, better than any today, nobody made his teammates better than he did.
     
  5. Mr. Space City

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    the hornets are built around cp3

    the jazz are built around d-will

    the celtics are built around the big 3,

    i'd like to see how rondo would do with a team built around him.
     
  6. nebula955

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    For me, I would never consider Rondo as the best PG until he can be a go to guy. Sure, he racks up assists...but he doesn't appear all that spectacular when he plays. Consider it this way...he gets to kick it out to Allen for the open 3 vs Paul who gets to dish it to Ariza...
    Nash is still the best shooter, but his defense is questionable at this age. That leaves Deron Williams and Chris Paul as the other options, but so far Paul has been better every year in everything with a much crappier cast.

    Paul is the most complete of them offensively, defensively, and rebounding and gets my vote.
     
  7. Jeff Who

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    He is not that player. You can't really build around him cause he can't score.
     
  8. Icehouse

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    I think CP3 is, until I see him play Utah and watch D-Will give him the business every year.
     
  9. Zboy

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    The Hornets-Mavs game tonight showed why I think D. Williams is better.

    In the 4th quarter, Mavs showed us how you contain Crhis Paul. They closed down the lanes and forced him to take outside shots which were all misses.

    This game plan would not have worked with Williams..
     
  10. flamingdts

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    Steve Nash is making Hakim Warrick looking like the next Amare.
     
  11. t_mac1

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    maybe his J is just off? paul is a great mid-range shooter

    deron is a better 3pt shooter than he is off the dribble, but that's it
     
  12. JimRaynor55

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    Statistically, there has always been a wide gulf between Chris Paul and Deron Williams. A couple years ago, there would've been NO question in the public as to who was the better player. I can't believe how fast the fans turned on Chris Paul and jumped on the Deron bandwagon just because Paul got injured for a bunch of games last year. Even injured, and having a "down" year by his amazing standards, Chris Paul last season was better than Deron in any of his seasons.

    Just look at the current stat comparison this year:

    Chris Paul: 33.9 mpg, 18.7 ppg, 0.5 FG%, 0.429 3PT%, 0.609 TS%, 5.3 rpg, 10.3 apg, 2.8 spg, 2.1 TO, 29.1 PER, +16.6 +/-

    Deron Williams: 39.7 mpg, 21.3 ppg, 0.444 FG%, 0.333 3PT%, 0.558 TS%, 4.7 rpg, 10.1 apg, 0.9 spg, 3.9 TO, 20.0 PER, +14.2 +/-

    These are huge, huge, ridiculous differences in Paul's favor. Playing a whopping 6 minutes less per game, he still manages to rack up more rebounds and assists than Deron does. He averages almost 2 more steals and 2 less turnovers than Deron. A four possession advantage for Paul, without even adjusting the minutes - that's freaking huge. Shooting percentages across the board also favor Paul, again by huge margins. Overall, both players have terrific +/- but again Paul has the edge. PER says that Deron's not even close to being in the same class as Paul. Even team success favors Paul right now, since his Hornets are tied for the league's best record at 8-1.

    HOW is there any debate right now?
     
  13. Outlier

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    It's not about the stats, it's about the player's style of play. Deron's game wins championships (and his size).
     
  14. JimRaynor55

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    Yeah, Paul shot a putrid 2-5 from downtown and 9-16 overall. What a bricklayer. If "all" of his outside shots in the 4th were misses and he still shot so well...that means he must have been doing ridiculously good throughout the rest of the game. Meanwhile, the season (and career) shooting percentages favor Paul.
     
  15. JimRaynor55

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    What championships? Seriously, is that the standard of debate now? Player B has massive statistical disadvantages compared to Player A, but Player B is still better because of nonexistent "championships" that he hasn't actually won, but supposedly might?
     
  16. t_mac1

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    how would you know that when he hasn't won one?

    chris paul's style of play is leading his team to the best record in the L, playing one of the hardest schedules
     
  17. Zboy

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    Please dont read stats to me. I have NBA league pass and I watched the whole game and especially 4th quarter.

    When the Mavs tightened their defense, Chris Paul was reduced to taking fadeaway jump shots. In one key stretch the Hornets were forced to take shots after shots with 2 or 3 seconds left on teh shot clock. Mavs had shut down the lane.

    Deron Williams is a harder cover in these situations because of his ability to make outside shots.
     
  18. JimRaynor55

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    It's hilarious that you claim that Chris Paul's outside shot is a weakness because of a few minutes in one game, when the much larger body of evidence suggests otherwise. While we're in the business of using single games (or parts of single games) as evidence...

    Deron shot 3-10 in the season opener against Denver, allowing his team to be blown out by 22 points. Two days later, he shot 3-12, letting his team lose by 16.

    I guess Denver and Phoenix must have proven some kind of glaring, permanent weakness in Deron Williams during those two games. Any coach worth his salt would use tape from those two games to forever judge him as a player. :rolleyes:
     
  19. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Member

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    watch the next 5 hornets game and see of chris paul has an outside shot or not

    you base your judgment off of one stretch in a game? you have GOT to be kidding me

    if i watch the utah-thunder game in the 4th only, i probably would think durant is a bad shooter b/c he couldn't make one to save his life
     
  20. JimRaynor55

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    Kobe shot 3-11 against Portland on November 7. Kobe sucks, what a scrub.
     

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