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Dear far leftists - the American people did not fail you. You failed them.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Nov 7, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Spending 1 trillion dollars on deporting 20 million humans, many of whom lived year for years as hard working individuals, where things like massive makeshift prison camps need to be built up at a rapid pace and where Stephen Miller explicitly stated that the administration might use the military and red state militias to go into blue states that don't cooperate with the deportation efforts is definitely what I consider "small government"


    What would Jesus do? I guess build up massive prison camps and round up 20 million humans and separate them from families because of insufficient paper work. That's the Jesus we all know and love.
     
  2. Rocket River

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    What is FAR LEFT nowadays?

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  3. fchowd0311

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    One thing I've learned about over the decades is when the right wing refers to "small government" they only mean in a sense to not be restrictive in exploiting labor.

    They need big government though when we need to suppress some workers strikes or be cruel to some migrants.
     
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    People who believe social media algorithmic feeds are rotting the American voter base and individual German Houston Rockets fanatics.
     
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    Starts at AOC. Bernie. Kamala borderline far left. The "squad". Etc. Not people like Fetterman, Ritchie Torres.
     
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    So what particular policies and ideologies do they endorse?

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    "Ah, the ‘U.S. Far Left’! Where they dream of a utopia with "free everything" funded by… well, magic? But let’s not forget the latest feature of this ideal world: the cringe-worthy alliances. Who knew that progressives who champion "rights for all" would find common ground with groups that conveniently skip over women’s, LGBTQ, and, ironically, even some human rights?

    Can someone explain how the “anti-imperialist” crew thinks condemning Israel while staying silent on Hamas or Hezbollah somehow promotes peace? Last we checked, selective empathy isn’t solidarity. But hey, why bother with nuance when you can just wave a “Free Palestine” sign and call it “activism.” Pro tip: maybe actually take a look at who also shows up to those rallies. Spoiler alert: it’s not exactly the human rights fan club!

    Also, let’s talk economics. Medicare for All, Green New Deal, free college, free unicorn rides—who’s paying? Wait, let me guess: it’ll be those billionaires again? Never mind that even confiscating all billionaire wealth once doesn’t come close. But in Far-Left World™, “tax the rich” is the solution for everything, as if that money just magically refills.

    Far-left America: where fiscal reality is ignored, double standards on “justice” are the norm, and alliances make zero sense. But hey, why stop when you can virtue signal on repeat and call it progress? #SocialJusticeOrHypocrisy"
     
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    Getting elected president. Twice.
     
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    1. It's not FREE Everything IMO - It's I'd rather my taxes go to places that help everyone
    -- i.e. Better everyone gets health care rather than having another black plague spread like wildfire because
    -------- we didn't give a **** about the Poors who go it
    2. Rights for all is a bad thing?
    3. Israel is initiating it's own version of Manifest Destiny which is kind of imperialistic
    4. Back when AMERICA was "Great" the rich were paying like 70~90% tax rate . . . if it was good enough for great why is it a problem now?
    --- also they benefit from it more than others - Dude who can pay a million dollars a day for 40 yrs and still have over 200 billion dollars is worried about taxes? Really?

    The FAR LEFT has alot of problems . .. that I can agree with
    The Rich get far far more tax cuts and tax breaks than any other group.
    Why not simply do a FLAT TAX and be done with it. . . everyone pay 20% (Isn't that the going tipping rate"

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    A flat tax?

    Who is going to hurt more? A person talking 30k a year paying 20% of their income in taxes or someone making 200k a year paying 20% of their income in taxes?

    At one of the spectrum a too high tax rate can make or break basic expenses like rent payments and the other end a too high tax rate makes or breaks your desire to purchase a new BMW.
     
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    LOL I would love that.

    Here are the facts:

    • Top 1% of Taxpayers: Paid 45.8% of all federal individual income taxes.
    • Top 5% of Taxpayers: Paid 62.7% of all federal individual income taxes.
    • Top 10% of Taxpayers: Paid 74.1% of all federal individual income taxes.
    • Bottom 50% of Taxpayers: Paid 2.3% of all federal individual income taxes.

    • Top 1%: Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) of $682,577 and above.
    • Top 5%: AGI of $252,840 and above.
    • Top 10%: AGI of $169,800 and above.
    • Top 50%: AGI of $46,637 and above.

    So the top 1 %, which includes me, pay almost half of all income tax.
     
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    So are they paying 20% of their income? I am simply curious
    If you make a billion dollars
    The tax would be . . .200 Million . . ..
    Are you saying that they are paying more than that?
    Trump legendarily paid less than a 1000 I beleive is the rumor

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    Based on the Tax Foundation's analysis of 2021 IRS data, the average federal income tax rates for various income groups are as follows:

    • Top 1% of Taxpayers: 25.9%
    • Top 5% of Taxpayers: 22.0%
    • Top 10% of Taxpayers: 19.1%
    • Bottom 50% of Taxpayers: 3.3%
    These figures illustrate the progressive nature of the U.S. federal income tax system, where higher-income individuals pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes compared to lower-income individuals.


    https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/
     
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    Good Stuff.
    22% - No loop holes. on Everything

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    I'm ok with paying higher taxes than someone who has a low income.

    What I don't like is the narrative of "the rich don't pay their fair share" - this may be true in individual cases due to extreme tax avoidance strategies by some billionaires, but overall, the data shows that higher income earners do pay a lot more, both in absolute figures and as a percentage of their income.

    Again, that's ok with me. In fact, I would be ok with paying a bit more to help ensure a slightly higher floor for the poorest of the poor.

    By the way, for comparison, in Germany, especially when you look at all the other mandatory contributions (pension, health insurance, public broadcasting scheme, etc. etc.), if you have a high income, your take-home pay is clearly under 50 % of what you originally made. So it's a lot more "socialist" than in the US. Germany has completely screwed up its system, where for lower income earners, it doesn't make sense to work - at all. They make more money by just being subsidized by the government than by taking any job. This is clearly unsustainable. And, unsurprisingly, the German economy is in deep, deep ****, compared to the US.

    The gap between the top 1 % and the bottom 10 % is much more massive in the US compared to Germany and most European countries.

    I guess given my background, I would be fine with something in between what you currently see in the US and the (from my point of view) "too socialist" system in Europe.

    It breaks my heart to see the homeless people and the real poverty at the lowest income levels in the US.

    For me, the biggest drivers would be better education (without indoctrination) for children, and fostering a culture of education as the basis for a better life. So although I am generally against subsidies, philosophically, the younger the intended recipient, the more I feel favourable towards it. Anything to help children.

    Oh, and better access to healthcare for the poorest.
     
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    There is a giant gap in communication here either intentionally or sincerely.

    For one I don't know of any leftists who are like "mid level engineers at Boeing are BEING TAXED TOO LITTLE! "

    For the top 1%, a large brunt of the median individual in that bracket are high level career salaried professionals. Leftists don't complain about income and taxes on that class of people.

    The complaint about the wealthy not paying their fair share has to do with the type of wealthy that don't have any technical skills and just live off of investments and capital gains... People like Musk, Theil, Sacks etc. Those are the people who perpetually use their assets and shares as leverage to take out loans, never pay them back and therefore avoid capital gains taxes. Essentially this class of people have unlimited wealth that is not being taxed at all due to this glitch.
     
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    I wonder how @glynch feels about that.
     
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    I've never seen glynch b**** about salaried professionals and their tax rates.
     
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