Not quite. Your choice wasn't between Carr/Williams or one of the 3 QB's. It was between Carr/Williams vs. QB + $8MM in cap room and whatever players you can add with that. Big difference there.
true, except you have no control over who gets that $8M (actually, $7.3M this year); it's an even BIGGER risk assuming players are going to sign with you when they have no obligation to do so.
God I'm so glad we didn't get Young. **** him. Weed out the pretend fans. Good riddance. Dealing with YOFs is bad enough. It would be the same thing over again. They would be complain about how the coaches are handling him blah blah blah etc etc. Nothing would be good enough for them. And deep in their pathetic hearts they would wish he was traded to a contender. We know it's all about VY to the nut lickers. This isn't about the Texans at all. They wanted VY on the Texans way more than they wanted the Texans to take VY. The sooner they go to a Tennessee site and quit pretending to be a Texan fan the better. We don't need yall. We don't like yall. Being a smelly, rebo Tennessee fan is the karma you earned. It fits you like your skin.
i'm saying you can't assume anything when it comes to free agency; two sides have to come together, and you only have control over one of them.
What's this "we" crap? Speak for yourself, man. That entire post was horsecrap (unless you were just joking). Back away from the keyboard, go outside, and play with your kids. --if that was all in jest, please accept my apologies. But your takes have gotten overly raucous on this deal--more divisive and less objective than the original "VYOFs" (if you must use such a term) that irritated all of us.
Wait, what? The team has full control over who they want to sign. The NFL is fully about smart cap management. For those that dislike Carr, he's only half the problem. The other is that he's also absurdly expensive. If the team can't get who they want, they can sign 1 yr deals and have the money available again the next year. Its always better to have options than not.
and absolutely no control over who will sign with them. it's not a draft; it's FREE agency. so, you'd take vy and 1-year band-aids while perpetually waiting on next year's free agent crops over carr and williams/bush?
"We" are Texans fans. We do not need fake fans who are really VYOFs. Why would we? Do you? That's kind of strange. We are much better off without them. If the Texans didn't make the playoffs in 2 years with VY as the quarterback you would never hear the end of it from the VYOFs. It would be sickening. You would be hearing "The Texans ruined VY, blah blah barf". I honestly glad it will not be a part of our team.
I wouldn't have. Neither would a lot of NFL execs, if reports are to be believed. But in hindsight, all one can say is, "Damn."
Umm, yes, you have some control over who will sign. It's not like people just take the money and you get whoever you're stuck with. You choose who to target. Do you get absolute, final say? Of course not. But you can pick where to try to spend that money best. If you believe in the GM and coach of the team as you claim to, I would assume you'd think they could do something good with it. No. I'd take VY and the flexibility to improve the team where I thought best (including a FA QB since I didn't expect VY to start this year) over Carr/Williams if I had that choice, with the backup option being bandaids if I can't find anyone. As long as Carr is running the team, I think the offense will suck anyway. So there was no harm there. Unless you think there are no free agents that have any value, then $8MM in cap room has a lot of value to any franchise. Especially one that could use help all over the field and doesn't need tons of money tied into one mediocre player.
yeah, i mean, there were a lot of factors lined up against them at the time; namely, vy didn't declare until after the rose bowl, which was late in the carr evaluation process; further, unfortunately, it cost them $8M to extend carr, percluding them from looking elsewhere for viable competition... and on top of all that, they really and truly believed, and for certainly good reason, that 2005 had been an exception. and a lot of top-ranking, highly respected football people agreed... it's not like the texans thumbed their nose at vince young... if he'd stayed in school and was coming out this year, they'd be champing at the bit to get him. so i don't understand the anger people have toward the organization. they weren't malicious about it; you could even argue they weren't dumb about it... they did their homework and got caught up in an extraordinary amount of bad luck/timing. that it followed four years of inept personnel decisions, and preceeded MW over RB.... it's easy to extrapolate and drive yourself crazy over it, but... i think only in hindsight can you truly say it was a lousy decision.
You keep saying this over and over. For YOU, that may be true. For other people who saw Carr for what he is, that's certainly NOT the case. They could say it with foresight. You could say it was guessing or whatever non-sense, but that's a load of crap. Just because you can't see things doesn't make them not true. Yeah, a lot of GMs or coaches (looking for jobs) thought Carr might be good. So what? How many thought that he wouldn't? You have no clue, because the Texans only talked about the people that supported their decision. And how many times have GMs been wrong in evaluating talent? Plenty of people saw his faults after watching game after game after game, and saw things in him that they didn't think they could be fixed. You thought they could. That's fine. But to act like those people couldn't have see it and its only obvious now, when you finally see it, is beyond ridiculous.
no, you have NO control. targeting free agents and signing free agents are two entirely different tasks. all the control (at least among the good ones) rests with the player. you can't force someone to sign a contract they don't want to sign, and therefore, you can't... or shouldn't assume that $8M in cap room is worth a damn in terms of filling your needs. further, i'd be dubious handing that kind of money over to casserly, given his track record. no way - really? seriously?? man, that was out of nowhere... personally, i always thought he "average."
Nobody can ever be certain of anything. We still don't know how this will work out for us in the long run. There is so much that is guesswork. I hate this crap. Right now I like the decision because I now like my Houston team more than before. I'm glad the VYOFs are not a part of us. It makes me happy.
see what i mean...? why so angry, major? and i never said any of that; my only contention is that the decision they made was, at the time, defensible. that doesn't argue it was right; and it certainly doesn't exclude contrarian viewpoints, either. and the fact that, 12 months later, your position has (thus far) been vindicated doesn't erase the factors i've listed that led them to do what they did.
are you kidding?? absolutely!! i'm not sure we could get a box of coathangers in return for david carr at this point. his trade value is effectively zero. would i trade him and reggie bush for the offensive ROY??? uh. yes.
you're acting as if this is objective. it was a stupid ass decision...in my subjective viewpoint. i said it then. i'm still saying it now. of course that's nothing but my opinion. and everyone has one of those.
