TJ, if not for the $2,000 individual spending limits, you may have raised a valid point. However, I can and will still give the maximum amount the eventual nominee, so that Clark donation is of no consequence to my future largesse. As for Teflon Kerry, not one piece of spaghetti has stuck to the wall yet despite the 3-4 coordinated strikes and he still has a hefty lead on GWB in most polls. You got some work to do. Maybe if you post furiously and convincingly for the next few months, you will win Texas for Bush this year.
How gulilble did you feel for wasting your time and money on Orlando Sanchez (twice)? Don't bother to respond, I know you won't, you aren't man enough. Winning an election is not always the only criteria for sucess. I know in your childish world, having scoreboard is the only measure you can relate to - a common flaw for immature brains, but Howard Dean's campaign I would rate as an overall sucess. He got people talking about to failures of GWB and how America can do better. That message benefited all of the democratic hopefuls. He brought passion and fire to the issues which drew in millions of young people that otherwise wouldn't pay attention. He reinvented campaign fundraising with his innovated use of the internet as a grassroots tool. Howard Dean's run was one of the best things that could of happened for the Left. A nomination wasn't required for his message to be a success.
You're one to talk after I called you out in this one... http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72997
Mulder, get real, I don't respond to vulgarity filled diatribes like that was. The only thing that could have made that post sound any more ridiculous would have been a closing line of YEEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRHHHHHHHHH
http://www.loq12.at/conspiracy/11_skullbones/img/yale.jpg I like our chances against the northeast conservative college cheerleader.
Those "wasted" donations gave America its first candidate to stand up to Bush. Dean was the first one to blast the Iraq war and the mess that followed. Dean literally framed the election in a context that will only help Democrats. Without his contribution to the national dialogue, there would be no chance in November.
Don't be stupid. I was up late. Just woke up. Noticed the new CNN/Gallup poll showing both Kerry and Edwards leading Bush by double digits. That's good news, no? Never would have happened without Dean either. In 2002 I was ashamed to be a Democrat. Thanks in large part to Dean waking the party up Democrats are in a great mood today, no matter which candidate they started with. The average American is ready to oust the radical right wing fringe lunatic prezidunt. The long nightmare is almost over. Hallelujah.
I'm sorry I offended your delicate constitution, but you newver answered so I'll repost it here, without all the bad words... ok sweetie? You know what I finally have an answer for the whole if you don't support Bush then you don't our troops [stuff]. Bush[....] LIED to put MY Countries troops, MY FAMILY, FRIENDS, and NEIGHBORS, in harms way in IRAQ. He is playing GI JOE with real soldiers because he [lacked the courage] go to fight himself. Bush ALREADY FAILED our troops by putting them in harms way. Now if that FACT does NOT [raise your gile], then YOU do not support our troops. Put those pieces together, you [...] parrot. Is that better? can you respond now? or do I need to set put up a scarecrow for you to light on fire and yell VICTORY at? EDIT: Sorry I forgot something... yeaarrgh...
I agree with everything except the "no chance in November" part. Dean has done a service to the Party. I hope he ends up with a Cabinet post. He deserves one.
Oh, God, if I had a nickel. I have yet to see T_J win an argument...I'm not saying he hasn't, just not one I've ever seen. I used to think that he at least knew economics, until a few gems like defending govt. interaction with soldier's pay bny virtue of competition...lol... ...and he is the single most famous poster for dissapearing in threads when his usual tactics to deflect from the fact that he has lost an argumentyyet again ( ALL CAPS, posting pics, pointing out typos, repeated declarations of victory, personel insults, and/or complaints about personal insults, and references to his vaguely defined ongoing pyschological campaign.) and Batman is the one who usually calls him on it, hence his shot here for Batman not being on board right now. In his mind, there might be a parallel between T_J dissapearing from a thread for good after sufficient embarassment, or the fact that not one "Democrat voting for Bush" ever came forward in the days it was an ongoing request and Batman not being here for a couple of hours, but I doubt even he is that dense. It's all part of his feint on the right falnk, I suppose... I don't know whether that's better, or worse than treeman, sinohero,johnheath etc. dissapearing in total when everything they said and crowed about has been proeven wrong. I guess it's a mtter of taste...
[crickets chirping] Still waiting.... Jorge must have gone home early to avoid the bums on the corners that come out around 4:30.... Oh well... guess I'll go home too. Night John Boy.
Do not embelish my fren - you bet to eat your excrement only if Dean beat Bush in November's general ellection. By that you believed Dean would be Dems nominee. So you did not call this one - no one can actually tell if Dean could have lost to Bush on not now because they are not going to meet anymore this year at least. So move on.
Well back to Dean, ********** Give Dean his due for rousing Democrats February 18, 2004 BY JESSE JACKSON After Tuesday's Wisconsin primary, and John Kerry's virtual lock on the Democratic nomination, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean is scheduled to return to Vermont in what may be the final chapter of his remarkable candidacy. The press corps, which has savaged Dean relentlessly, is already clamoring for him to say when he will call it quits. Whatever happens this week, one thing is clear: Democrats owe Dean big time for his service to the country and the party in this election campaign. Dean gave Democrats back their voice. He stood up firmly against George W. Bush and his reckless policy of preemptive war and destabilizing tax cuts. He said loudly that the emperor had no clothes. And his candidacy took off because he tapped into the deep anger that many citizens feel toward this radical right-wing administration. In doing so, Dean taught his better-financed and better-known rivals how to run. Remember, Democrats had just come off a demoralizing showing in the 2002 congressional races, when they rolled over on the war, rolled over on taxes, rolled over on Bush, decided not to have any national message at all -- and had their lunch handed to them. John Kerry, the pundits' favorite for 2004, Dick Gephardt and John Edwards started off campaigning in the same sonorous vein. They gave principled speeches about whatever, while parading their support for the war in Iraq. Joe Lieberman, the leader in the polls, went even further, accusing Bush of not being tough enough. Lieberman's Democratic Leadership Council was intent on reading the peace movement out of the Democratic Party, branding anyone who hadn't voted for the war as unelectable, while warning against anti-corporate populism, or any deviation from the free trade, fiscal austerity idols they worshipped. Dean would have none of that, and he took no prisoners. He forced Kerry and Edwards and Gephardt to step up and take on the president. The dramatic transformation of Kerry and Edwards over the course of the campaign was forged by the heat provided by Howard Dean. Dean, of course, took hits for breaking with the beltway conventional wisdom. He dared to utter unmentionable truths and was pilloried for it. In 1984 and 1988, when I ran for president, I argued that Israeli security and Palestinian independence were two sides of the same coin; one could not occur without the other. A two-state solution was the only hope for peace in the Middle East. For that, I was assailed as radical, irresponsible, anti-Semitic. Now that position is universally accepted by both parties. Similarly, Dean assailed Bush's doctrine of preemptive war, for the radical and dangerous rupture it represents from American postwar policy. He made the common-sense comment that we were no safer after Saddam Hussein was captured than we were before. For that he was mocked, but he was surely right: The pace of violence in Iraq has accelerated in the weeks since Saddam's capture, as have the alerts here at home. By standing up, Dean not only engaged the peace movement, he helped to bring that energy into the Democratic primaries. His campaign and strong voice helped isolate those who disparaged electoral politics, or those who preferred the fool's gold of third-party politics. Whether Ralph Nader decides to run or not, he is far more isolated now because of the Dean candidacy. Dean, of course, had rivals on his message. Carol Moseley Braun, Al Sharpton and Dennis Kucinich all had more populist positions and knew how to rouse audiences. But Dean did something more: He figured out how to break the money primary. And this may be his most lasting contribution to American politics. With his Web-based fund-raising, Dean empowered people. Small donations fueled his rise. Special interests had no hold on him. His use of the Web to bring people together, to enlist volunteers, and to unleash energy launched a revolution in American politics. Now, in both political parties, insurgents know that a people's politics can be financially competitive against the establishment's candidates. Dean has opened the door for a new people's politics across the country. Of course, Dean's rise was followed by his precipitous collapse. When the press and his opponents turned on him, he couldn't stay above the fray. The other candidates learned from him, and began to recycle his lines. When Iowa was lost, momentum went another way. It surely would be human for Dean to feel both bitter and betrayed. But he has another contribution to make in this election year. Having unleashed the energy and the potential of a new politics, and brought it into the Democratic Party, he must make certain that his defeat does not embitter his followers. He must keep their eyes on the prize -- to take back America from George W. Bush and the dangerous politics of privilege that he represents. He must make certain that his Deaniacs understand that, although they have already transformed this election season, they still have work to do. And in doing this, as I am certain he will, Howard Dean will earn the respect and the thanks of citizens of conscience across the land. link
Exactly. Dean galvanized the Democratic party. Dean said things that other democrats were thinking but were too afraid to say regarding the war on Iraq. Ones those ideas were hashed out in the media via debates, it gave room for other Democrats to come up with their own view-points and ideas. GreenVegan said it best...."(Dean's) contribution to the national dialogue" helped greatly!
