IROC it - your attempt to edit away my getting your goat will not bury the events of the past - for posterity I display IROC it's pre-edited post:
This thread has been very, very amusing. Sam...these have been your best posts ever. I have actually enjoyed watching you trash T_J. Oh, and bonus points for the collateral estoppel post. To clarify, I am not trying to be snarky or backhanded in any way. This has been fun to read. To the issue at hand. John Kerry was wounded in action. He deserved to come home. He was there, and he served. Like many, he probably would have strongly preferred to be elsewhere. We will never know how John Kerry would have reacted had he been a POW. I would like to think that he would have shown the type of resolve that McCain showed. John McCain is a war hero in his own right. His actions as a POW and aboard an attacked carrier are without question acts of bravery. We do not know how he would have reacted had he been shot in the field of combat and sent home. I do not like John Kerry's actions upon him arriving home. That being said, I was not alive during Vietnam, and do not know what it would have been like to come hom from combat to the turmoil that existed. To use this to diminish his service for political gain is...disturbing at best.
Liar. You questioned his service, his records, and his medals... if not overtly, then by posting articles that did while you cleverly refrained from voicing anything but snide little comments that give your conscience plausible deniability. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=83271&page=1&pp=20&highlight=kerry+vietnam There are other search results, but it's too depressing to read through them just to further expose your ridiculousness.
You dismissed the veterans right in this forum, Trader_J. Example: (thread started by glynch) Bush to Cut Pay for Troops In Iraq due to Budget. (Trader_J is in italics) This is a very poorly worded thread title. There is no pay cut. There is a potential failure to increase pay. Not a pay cut. Get it straight. I support the troops with every ounce of my being. I also support free labor markets in which people can choose their job and the relevant pay scale that accompanies it. Nope. If I work all year, then get a bonus, then my pay returns to my salaried amount, I have not suffered a pay cut, as you so foolishly imply. The cuts were set to expire on September 30. This pay increase was temporary in nature, much like a bonus payment. Their pay is not being cut, it is being restored to its steady-state level. I believe in the labor market to set fair and just wages. When I hear that certain segments of society are underpaid (i.e. teachers), it makes me want to vomit. I trust the forces of supply and demand to set the marginal benefit contributed to society by the contributor equal to the marginal revenue paid to the contributor. Did you seriously miss the point that badly? If so: Uh...that's exactly my point. They are not underpaid, they are justly paid. That's why I want to vomit, because people can't see this. How you misinterpreted that, I'll never know, RM95. Read closer before posting. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=63054&page=1&pp=20&highlight=veterans Interesting thread and very educational regarding Trader_J's view of the military and how they should be paid. Appalling, but worth reading all of it. I left out a lot of outrage from various members and goofy replies from the Bobbsey Twins. Trim Bush.
I recall something about guilty dogs and barking. Hmmm... I never said that YOU did, basso. T_J, OOTH, does so habitually every time this comes up. However, reading my post must have raised your guilty conscience. Thanks for coming clean.
So Refman, do you think John Kerry did not game the system with his abbreviated tour of duty and his departure after putting in for 3 superficial wounds? Is that not taking advantage of a technicality? Clearly he was able to continue serving his country abroad, but chose not to...
Not as much as his opponent in that election gamed the system in getting an appointment to the "Champagne Division" of the Air National Guard, then not showing up for what little duty was expected of him for at least a year. John Kerry was wounded in battle three times and no matter how superficial some people claim the wounds were, that is a hard fact. The only thing that ever wounded GWB were the football players who ran over him while he was cheerleading on the sidelines at Yale, much like he has done his entire life.
When you have to bring up Bush in response to a question about Kerry, then you just can't mount a defense. Or you concede the point. You pick. I mean, are the libs able to answer a single political question without bringing up Bush? No wonder they can't win a Presidential election and are in line to lose another... telling...
I have a cop friend. He always says the caliber and location don't matter... if you get shot, you're having a bad day.
That is actually my point exactly. T_J wants to complain that Kerry suffered a "superficial" wound (3 of them actually). My point is that if it happened to T_J, he probably wouldn't think it was so damned superficial.
I still don't get how the heck one can get injured randomly three different times and be called a fraud.
You are insulting Vietnam war vets. You aren't just insulting Kerry, you are insulting his officers and superiors who recommended him, and approved him for those medals, and staked their job and reputation as servicemen on their statements. You should apologize immediately for your slander of the brave heroes who gave witness to and verified Kerry's actions in Vietnam. You are accusing those men of lying, and dishonorable conduct while they were serving in the field of battle.
its quite possible that you could not have said it better then that. you know a logical explanation. those seem to be harder to get around here when for some people its sooo clearly bad if its a republican or for another always clearly bad if its a democrat. in the near future im going to be looking for a forum like this that people can discuss things with a little less bias. meaning more stuff like this.
It would seem to me that being shot down while flying us jets by some village warriors shouldn't be something to hang your hat on. just saying
