Me likey a lot. Throw in Chicago's draft pick obligation and get this sucker done now. Ming and Brand together could be unstoppable. Piatkowski fills the "Bullard" role and is a career 40% 3-point shooter. Francis/Moochie/Maddox/Carter Mobley/Piatkowski Posey/Piatkowski/Rice/Boki Brand/MoT/TMo Ming/scrub After we get this one done, I say we make one more trade: HOUSTON TRADES: Maurice Taylor + Glen Rice + 2nd round pick MIAMI TRADES: Brian Grant + Anthony Carter Grant could back up Brand and Ming. Miami gets a scoring PF and an expiring contract. Yeah, it's not perfect and a product of wishful thinking (okay, a lot), but that's the point of this thread, right? Lineup: Francis/Moochie/Maddox Mobley/Piatkowski Posey/Piatkowsi/Boki Brand/Grant/TMo Ming/Grant
Well...I would love Grant. He is one of the best against Yao and he would be on our side! He would be a great scrub!!! But what about his contract and Elton Brand's? And why 4 point guards? I guess we can release Maddox and trade Moochie...
Codell, too bad we didn't have Terry tonight. He had more assists by himself against Sacramento than the whole Rockets team against the Pistons. You know it doesn't even matter if he's better than Mobley or not. My point is since Steve isn't going anywhere we need a player at the SG position that knows how to get other players involved. That is just not Francis's game and unfortunatly for Cat its not his either.
How about a trade with Memphis? It doesn't return a SG with passing skilld but it would give us one of the best young front-lines in the NBA. Not to mention a serious 3 point threat. Houston trades: C Kelvin Cato SG Cuttino Mobley PF Eddie Griffin Houston receives: C Lorenzen Wright PG Brevin Knight PF Pau Gasol TRADE ACCEPTED Houston trades: PF Eddie Griffin PG Moochie Norris SG Cuttino Mobley Houston receives: SG Wesley Person PF Pau Gasol TRADE ACCEPTED Houston trades: C Kelvin Cato SG Cuttino Mobley PG Moochie Norris Houston receives: PF Pau Gasol PG Brevin Knight SG Wesley Person TRADE ACCEPTED
think of the line-up Memphis would have. Cato trade 2 Wright Stromile Swift / Drew Gooden Shane Battier Cat/ Dickerson J Williams Think of all the rebounds Cato and Swift would get from Cat and Williams jacking up wild shots.
Okay, I can play this game. Here's a radical trade idea that'll make Denver have to think long & hard about it. Houston sends Francis/Griffin/Rice/Taylor/Nachbar to Denver. Denver sends Howard/Harvey/Whitney/Tskitishvili/one of their #1 picks this year (their choice) to Houston. Denver gets a locked up super star player in Francis, an athletic PF in Griffin, an offensive PF in Taylor, an experienced veteran SF in Rice, with one year left on a $9+ mill contract that they can let expire or trade for some young/veteran talent to a team looking to clear cap space next year. Nachbar for Tskitishvili should be a wash for both teams, in terms of talent. Since Houston has had it's most success with dominating centers & PF's (Dream, Moses, Sampson, Hayes, Rudy, Thorpe) & we appear to have the potential of another dominate center in Yao, why not go back to what has been so successful for us in the past? Scrap the run-n-gun offense & go back to the dump it in-pass it out game that was so successful with Dream. After all, it's all about the W's, isn't it? With Howard's expiring contract, we go after Duncan. I've read that he doesn't want to play center, but with the retirement of Robinson, he may have to in San Antonio. In Houston, he would NOT have to. All we'd need at PG would be a Kenny Smith type of player. Whitney would fill in nicely, or we could pick up a veteran for the mid-level exception in the off season. Our new lineup, with only one max contract, could be: C: Yao/Cato PF: Duncan/Howard(if we resign him)/Harvey SF: Posey/T-Mo/Tskitishvili(7' SF? Can you say triple towers?) SG: Mobley/Hawkins PG: Whitney/Moochie Can anyone beat that team? I'd like to point out something that it appears most of you are missing. The cap may be at $42 mill, but the Luxury tax doesn't kick in until about $51-52 mill. There is quite a bit of room to maneuver under the Luxury Tax. So, having 3 players with $12 mill max contracts still leaves plenty of room to add quality role players.
You have got to stop with your trades Hottoddie. The only way this works is if you sign Duncan or Brand perhaps and even so, you are not even sniffing fair value for a top 10 player in the league. And we don't do trades based on possibilities-Tell me the last major free agent who didnt accept a max deal from his current team. This isn't baseball where players move all the time. The NBA's CBA is set up for major players to stay with their teams for years, and unless you had some guarantee we get Duncan or Brand this deal is foolish and at the very least you are undervaluing Francis.
Sorry, I can't help myself. However, it wasn't my intention to undervalue Francis, my intent was to put ourselves in position to acquire a player that would help reshape the team & put us back on the road to a winning franchise. You're probably right about our chances of acquiring Duncan, but I'd have to say that with Sterling's miserly ways, we should be able to offer Brand the maximum deal & have a better than even chance of signing him. Sure, Sterling could resign him for the max & do a sign & trade, but that would mean he would still have to take on some large contracts. I'd be willing to take that chance over the selfish ball hogging play of our iso-guard dominated system. Besides, Howard wouldn't be a bad PF, if both Brand & Duncan slipped through our hands & we'd still have the cap space to pursue other FA's/trades. I'm sure there are more than a few players that would want to play with Yao. Also, Rasheed Wallace has a player option as well.
Since Chicago is having problems with PT at the PG position, here's another trade idea. Houston sends Moochie/Griffin to Chicago. Chicago sends Crawford/Curry or Fizer to Houston. Chicago gets a backup PG that is a team player & won't gripe about PT, & they get a young athletic PF in Griffin that has shown much more potential than either Curry or Fizer. Houston gets a PG that has the potential of taking over the starting role & allowing us to move Francis over to SG & Mobley to the 6th man role. Fizer has a better low post game than Griffin at this time, but doesn't have the defensive game that Griffin does. Fizer also has more bulk than Griffin, but is 2" shorter. Curry is the one that intrigues me the most. I realize that he hasn't exactly worked out in Chicago, but he has shown flashes of his talent. He's the same age as Griffin, so he has lots of room to mature & develop his game. Imagine a 6'11" 285 lb. PF with mobility playing next to Yao at 7'5" 296 lb.. Talk about an immovable wall. Oh well, just throwing mud on the wall & seeing what sticks. Damn teflon!
If Cuttino was dealt the Rockets wouldnt be nearly as good. We have a good team now. the only trade i could see helping would be the one i saw on another thread. mo taylor for robert horry
OKAY. SO NOW..........we are dire need of a shooter. WE NEED A POWER FORWARD...WHO IS TOUGH...BUT CAN ALSO SHOOT 3's. And we may need a good backup point guard for Steve.
Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (6.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.5 minutes) to Washington Houston receives: PF Christian Laettner (7.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 26.5 minutes) from Washington PF Etan Thomas (4.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 12.2 minutes) from Washington Houston trades: SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.9 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.4 minutes) to Los Angeles Houston receives: SG Kareem Rush (3.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 11.5 minutes) from Los Angeles We're stacked at forward, so time to unload a couple. We get a forward and also two guards in return (EDIT: oops, make that a guard), which we can't have enough of.
How about this one: Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (6.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.5 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (18.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.0 apg in 42.0 minutes) Houston receives: SF Chris Mills (4.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 10.7 minutes) PG Gilbert Arenas (15.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 6.3 apg in 34.8 minutes) PF Danny Fortson (3.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: -1.7 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and +3.9 apg. Golden State trades: SF Chris Mills (4.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 10.7 minutes) PG Gilbert Arenas (15.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 6.3 apg in 34.8 minutes) PF Danny Fortson (3.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.5 minutes) Golden State receives: PF Maurice Taylor (6.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 27 games) SG Cuttino Mobley (18.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.0 apg in 32 games) Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, -3.7 rpg, and -3.9 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED We unload Cuttino and Mo, and get some good team players in Arenas and Fortson. Mills' contract expires after next year. Fortson could clean up the glass, and Arenas would fit in well with Steve.
Just found another one: Houston trades: PG Moochie Norris (4.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.6 apg in 18.9 minutes) Houston receives: PG Smush Parker (5.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 15.3 minutes) PG Milt Palacio (4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 23.9 minutes) C Chris Mihm (1.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: +6.8 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and +2.9 apg. Cleveland trades: PG Smush Parker (5.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 15.3 minutes) PG Milt Palacio (4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 23.9 minutes) C Chris Mihm (1.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8.5 minutes) Cleveland receives: PG Moochie Norris (4.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.6 apg in 40 games) Change in team outlook: -6.8 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and -2.9 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED I've always wanted to see what Mihm can do given some playing time. He's a good shot blocker, and someone who can give Yao a breather.
Can I post my trade idea? Mobley goes to Chicago Crawford and Fizer come to Houston It works at Real GM too! (not just in my mind!) And it works for both teams also: It's a fact that Chicago is shopping both players hard because they have a log-jam at point guard and power forward. Both players have complained about playing time and starting (especially Crawford), leading to clubhouse problems. What Chicago does have is plenty of room at shooting guard, where they start someone named Trenton Hassell and have Fred Hoiberg come off the bench. Anyway, Fizer is the workhorse we're missing down low - he's super-strong and fights for position, getting rebounds and high percentage shots down in the paint. And Crawford is the big point guard we need (he's 6'5) in order to move Steve to shooting guard. How does Crawford stack up against Mobley? 3pt% Mobley .315 Crawford .319 Assist to Turnover Ratio Mobley 1.19 Crawford 1.98 Mobley averages 3.0 assists while playing 41.9 minutes a game Crawford averages 3.1 assists while playing 20.8 minutes a game Mobley is 27 Crawford is 22 Per 48 minutes a game, Mobley averages 20.9 points, 3.4 assists, 5.0 rebounds, and 1.56 steals Per 48 minutes a game, Crawford averages 17.8 points, 7.3 assists, 4.6 rebounds, and 1.97 steals I compared per 48 minutes stats because Mobley has always started this year, where Jay Williams usually forces Crawford to come of the bench - it's the only fair way to compare them. Anyhow, we can see that Mobley is the better scorer and that Crawford is the better passer. But we need more passing and less shooting out of our backcourt. I really don't hate Mobley - on the contrary, I think he's talented and exciting to watch at times. That being said, he's not as good as Steve and their games are too similar to compliment each other. Crawford isn't the player that Mobley is, but he would just be a better fit for us, with Fizer as an incredible bonus. In the end, we get the true point guard and the down-low bruiser we need and the Bulls get the shooting guard they need while breaking up their log-jam to improve their chemistry - this trade makes sense for both teams.
