Houston Trades Griffin, Mobley and.... Moochie and gets............ Brand and Odom and........... Piatowski......................................... Then Houston trades Mo Taylor and Collier ........ ....and gets David Wesley + a pick................ then Houston Trades Rice..... to Atlanta for Jason Terry....................+ a pick.................................Rockets Team. PG Terry- Wesley- Maddox SG Francis- Piatowski- Hawkins SF Odom- Posey- Nachbar PF Brand- Morris C Yao Ming- Cato This is a winning Team!!!
Jebus Christopher, some of you need to step away from the RealGM.com hotkey that you have programmed on your desktop and look at some of the asinine trades you are suggesting. Some of these trades are so out of whack its not even funny: Jason Terry is a SG, not a PG. I fail to understand how trading for a player that is essentially a poor man's Steve Francis and having him be our PG while moving Steve to SG will make us a better team. Atlanta moved Terry to SG for a reason: Because he was not a very good PG!! Next, David Wesley is a SG guard folks. He has not played PG in several years. You know why? Because he was a SG in a PG's body! Same problem we have with Steve (supposedly). Also, Wesley is a starter, not a backup. Also, I can not believe some of you are suggesting that we entrench Moochie as the starter just so we can make Steve a SG. How can anyone in their right mind advocate the theory that this makes us better. And why would you want to trade a very good backup center for a shoft jump shooting center like Patopenko or Drobnajk????? How do either one of these players benefit our team in place of Cato?? Speaking of trades with Seattle, why is the deal with the Kenny Anderson infatuation? He is on the downside of his career and is no better than Moochie Norris. At least Norris is entering his prime instead of being 5 years past his prime like Anderson is Last, trading Cat and Mo for Davis and Peterson? Holy cow. Davis is in his mid 30s and his best years are behind him. By the time we are ready to contend, hell be on his last legs. At least Mo is young and has somewhat of an offensive game. Cat for Peterson? Peterson is a poor shooting small forward and isnt the player that Cat is. Also, why do we need Peterson anyway, when we already have Rice, Nachbar and Posey? Some of you guys are just throwing out trades for the sole purpose of getting rid of players that you feel do not have any value to us without objectively looking at whether or not these trades would improve our team. Next.
Just be glad that none of these people are actually in charge of the Rockets. Moochie and Mo for Brand. Cuttino is already better then the even more undersized J. Terry. Maybe you people don't realize that Cuttino makes about 5 million a year. That has to be one of the best bargains in the NBA. Other players like Ray Allen, Michael Finley, Scherbiatch make about 2-3 times as much.
This is it. Cato has never had more value, and has a nice contract based on this year's performance. Losing Eddie would be a b!tch and may come back to bite us, but we are contenders for the next several years with Brand. Piatkowski has an ending contract, which could help us resign Posey, and we would be bad-a$$ in the playoffs. THIS year. Throw in a future protected pick (s) as needed. You never know with Sterling. He might do it.
Actually, even Piatkowski would be useful, as he would be the sharpshooter off the bench we are going to need as Rice is probably going to be traded next year. They might get better offers for Brand, but not with friendly contracts like Eddie and Cato have.
Guys, when making these trade ideas, remember we already have one max player (Francis), and we will probably have a second (Yao). If we got Brand, he would be asking for a max contract at the end of this season. Could we actually have three max players on one team? There's finances to consider! We don't want to be in the same bind as the Minnesota Timberwolves! As for Abdur-Rahim, I can't recall how much he makes, but if it's close to the max, we should pass on him too. It is WAY too early to give up on Eddie Griffin.
I like this trade. We can get a true PG and move SF to SG. It can also give GP a shot for the ring. Not to mention GP plays with such defensive intensity that will make everyone on our team better. Because of Sonics' situation, GP can be the bargain of the year!
True about the max contracts, except there are owners/teams willing to pay out (Mavericks, Kings) and these teams have unbelievable depth and will be ruling the roost for years. Hopefully our billionaire owner is seeing nice Yao-sized profits and will open up the checkbook. SAR, by the way, makes beaucoup money. Probably around $12,000,000 this year. And it might be too early to give up on Eddie Griffin, but if we could get back Brand ("if" being the longest two-letter word in the dictionary)....but, of course, that's just a fantasy. Still, the Clips need to do something, or they'll lose all those players for nothing. San Antonio can throw the max at Brand and Donald Sterling won't match it. Does anyone want to go against Brand/Duncan with Eddie/Yao? Sorry; I don't.
Maybe we could swing a deal with Cleveland who are rebuilding: Houston trades: M. Taylor & M. Norris Cleveland trades: T. Hill & B. Coles I know we have seen this before but I believe this would work very well for both teams. Cleveland would get a scoring Power Forward who is only 26 years old and get a scoring playmaker who could start now and come off the bench later as their rookies develop and Moochie is only 29 years old. Houston would get a defensive minded Power Forward who is very tough inside and a good rebounder, who is the last year of his contract and could probably be re-signed for much less next year (being almost 35 years old) leaving money for Posey and others. We would also get a defensive minded PG who is a good passer and has only one more year remaining on his contract. He would not minding coming in for spot service being 34 years old. This would buy time for Maddox to develop. Even if we had to add a future draft pick to make this work, it would help us to develop the nucleus we now have and supply very complimentary players for now.
Why do you worry about how many max contraxts the Rockets may eventually Have? Brand deserves and should get max money this year. If the Rocket get Brand and give him max money that would mean that we only have 2 max contracts for the next 3 years. I hope Yao Ming turns into a max contract player as well, if he does then that means the Rockets have a very solid contending team year in and year out. When worring about max players remember that we had Dream, Barkley and Drexler all on the team at the same time and they were all making very large contracts. Les can afford it and he will pay the bills as long as the team wins. We were all hoping that Eddie would turn into a max contract player anyway...right? No way the Rockets would turn out like Minnesota since we already have a lot of talent. Minnesota has all of its money invested in one player and now can not afford to bring in the talent needed to support him. Like I said we already have the talent.
Want Kevin Garnett? Personally I don’t think the T-Pups would trade KG but here is a scenario. Rockets send to Minnesota: Kelvin Cato Eddie Griffin Glenn Rice Bostjan Nachbar Moochie Norris An unconditional 1st round draft pick in 2005 Minnesota sends to Houston: Kevin Garnett TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Houston and Minnesota being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Minnesota had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Houston’s new line-up: Yao Ming / Jason Collier Kevin Garnett / Mo Taylor James Posey / Terence Morris Cuttino Mobley / Juaquin Hawkins Steve Francis / Titto Maddox Minnesota’s new line-up would be: Kelvin Cato / Radoslav Nesterovic Eddie Griffin / Joe Smith / Gary Trent Wally Szczerbiak / Bostjan Nachbar Kendall Gill / Wally Szczerbiak Troy Hudson / Anthony Peeler Why Minnesota will do this trade: With Garnetts out of this world contract the T-Pups do not have the cap space needed to lure any real good free agents. This trade removes the albatros of a salery from the T-Pups while giving them a solid center (Cato), two potential future all-stars (Griffin & Boki), a back up point guard (Moochie), a large expiring contract after next season (Rice) and an unconditional first round draft pick. They have six of their current group of players going to free agency next year including Woods, Trent, Gill, Nesterovic, Lopez and Strickland…all journeymen players at best. By moving Szczerbiak to guard and inserting Boki at small forward the T-Pups would have a chance to be one of the sweetest shooting teams in the league next year. I have a hard time imagining the T-Pups getting a better mix of value and potential than that package. Why Minnesota will not do this trade: Kevin Garnett type of players do not grow on trees. The Minnesota franchise might not get another player of his caliber for the next few decades. Eddie Griffin is a potential superstar, but he might also be just another Joe Smith. Bostjan Nachbar could be the next Peja but then again he might not be. While this trade gives the team a lot of talent and a lot of flexibility it really does nothing to help the team now. Why the Rockets make this trade: Yao Ming Kevin Garnet James Posey Cuttino Mobley Steve Francis Need I say more. Ok they are all young and ready to win a championship this year or the next at the latest. How many did the Bulls win? Needles to say but our line-up would be set for a very long time. Why the Rockets will not do this trade: Because Minnesota will not do it! That is the only reason.
I think whenever Seattle makes up its mind about what they're going to do, I think you might see Kenny Anderson/Brent Barry for SAR. That would give Seattle a 25yr stud to go along with Rashrd and move Mason into the lineup. The bad thing about it is the west and our playoff hopes are one trade away from being jacked up. Atl wants expiring contracts to start over and LA and Seattle can both accomodate that. I hope it doens't happen, but don't be suprised if it does.
Just an observation, but it seems like almost every proposed trade on this BBS involves some lame white guy coming to the Rockets. Nothing against white guys -- I'm one myself -- but it really seems like WAY too many people think our problems would be solved by bringing in a Brent Barry, Troy Murphy, Eric Piatkowski, J. Wil, etc. If Mark Madsen weren't such a dork, they'd be shouting to get him over here, too. Very strange.
These KG proposals aren't even close. They will get at least one marquee player from someone, not just a bunch of mid-level talent. Plus, the TWolves need backcourt...they haven't had a decent backcourt since Brandon passed his prime. One of Steve or Cuttino would have to be involved. Out of all the trades here, the only one I'd really have to think about is Griffin/Cato for Brand/Piatowski. Brand is really the only Clipper I'd make any effort for in the first place.
