DC v. Heller Ruling: SCOTUS Overturns D.C. Gun Ban

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You guys should do something more useful and debate Fors vs Chevy or something cause this argument is OVER!

I am not legal expert but I am pretty sure they are not likely to hear this case again.

 

You're obviously not one. Anyway, when you rewrite the interpretation of a constitutional amendment that has been a certain way for a long time, the next thing to come before the court is a pandora's box of related issues about the extent and scope of the new interpretation. Like I said - second amendment cases are going to be the hip new thing in courts for the foreseeable future.

So you can debate ford and chevy in another thread.

 

This assumes that these forums are about the ability of the posters to impact the decisions made or the facts surrounding what we discuss here. It's just commentary.

I'm guessing if Obama gets elected, you'll still be here to tell us how it shouldn't have happened...how he's a nightmare.

I'm guessing if the Rockets lose, you'll still want to chime in on it after the fact, despite the fact the outcome has been determined.

 

I am anti Obama?

wow learn something new everyday.

 

yeah..that was the point of my post.

delete out the obama part and my point stands.

 

Thats right, I am a firearms expert. I have a guy hired to do my legal arguments for me.



summa c*m laude from Georgetown
magna c*m laude from Harvard Law in 1960
Professor of Law at the University of Virginia in 1967
Professor of Law at Georgetown University Law Center and Stanford University

 

No offense taken. My only point was that emotional/common sense approaches aren't necessarily beneficial. It seems like machine guns would be a greater threat than normal guns. If nobody has ever died from a legal machine gun, do you still think that the fact that they are legal is proof of greater stupidity?

I think there are some people who are so appalled by guns that they don't care whether legal machine guns have ever killed anybody. They don't care whether or not they are dangerous, because they know they are and they want to ban the hell out of them.

If you have a clear problem, fix that problem, and then determine if that fix worked. If you ban all the guns in the world, and the murder rate doesn't go down, was the gun ban a good idea? Some would certainly think so.

My guess is that often people blame guns for society’s ills as a way to avoid having to deal with the real problems like poverty and disenfranchisement. But banning guns is an easier way to feel like you are fixing the world.

I think some of the aspects about DC law like the fact that a guy who carries a gun at work but isn’t trusted to have one at home are indicative of fear based legislation. Did preventing him from having his work tools at home really make the city safer? And I know also that the same sort of kneejerk, "don't ban my guns" disregard for what actually is or isn't an issue occurs from the NRA side of things. I get some mailings because of my license from people that quite frankly scare the hell out of me. I just think there is a lot of aimless fear and anger on both sides of this issue, without much attempt at genuine understanding.

 

See what Max said to you.

 

Nice post but for all intents and purposes machine guns are banned.

I mean they have done everything they can except go and pick them up from peoples houses. When they "banned" high cap mags, all they did was keep non-police/.mil from buying new ones.

The prices have skyrocketed. Someone said an Uzi costs >$14, I paid $3K in 2002. In 1986 a M16 cost ~500 now probably 25K.

 

i did and responded to it.

 

Who cares? The problem with using this survivalist fantasy as a valid concern is that its probability is incredibly low.

I'm angry at the abuses of the Bush administration and their flaunting of certain freedoms and boundaries - but I retain enough faith that the electoral process would correct them before I woudl have to start contructing IED's in order to stop an Abrams tank from disrupting my right to party or whatever.

 

small arms>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pitchforks

 

Maybe they didn't suspect it, but it was pretty obvious that Cambodia's social and political and economic institutions were incredibly weak and didn't have the same interest in stability that we have here.

I hate the UES - send in the tanks.

 

I just think it's a helluva lot easier to kill yourself and others when guns are so accessible.

 

I didn't read all of the opinions. They were long and there were lots of big words.....

........but does this mean we can start shooting all of the liberals?

 

how many other things is that true for?


chemicals
(household cleaners, fertilizer, gasoline, carbon monoxide, natural gas, freon)
Automobiles

etc.

The thing is this is the only item we have the right to own. If you disagree with the intended use of the item you exaggerate the need and use of it. I bet tons of "green" folks want us to use bikes and skateboards citing automobiles being the number one cause of unintentional injuries and fatalities

 

Everytime I hit a gun thread I end up in an argument over the relative value of the automobile vs. the relative value of a gun.

I have difficulty equating the two..simply because of the heavy, heavy reliance of our economy on transportation...quick transportation. I think people could give up a handgun a helluva lot easier than they could give up their car....though I recognize people might have entirely different perspectives on that.

I just don't see the overwhelming public need for handguns. I don't get it. I think the 2nd Amendment was written with muskets in mind....not the weaponry of a 21st century United States military. It seems to me the 2nd Amendment is all about curbing tyranny. Today, I don't see how a handgun ban matters in that analysis.